Campaign Gets Reinforcements! (06/15/2009)

[Ashira]

ACP not having Refresh is a good arguement? Are you fucking retarded? It is simple and takes what, 10 hours total to complete? Of course Refresh should not be an option there, Campaign arguably more so.
Why BLM was mentioned there is beyond me also, relic body is easy to obtain and BLM can't wear a Refresh head piece (the only situation where it would be arguably overpowered) and it's not like you're gonna nuke in the Campaign body piece.

But still requires money (which you don't need to do campaign) and at least -some- cooperation with other people, though Dynamis wasn't really intended to be a trio or less event and I don't know of people really doing trios in Beaucedine like they would in Xarc -- so as far as the thought process for SE goes in comparing to something like a Campaign piece, it still fits. Ixion is to be earned in a team fight or purchased, Black Cloak is purchased, Dynamis is earned in a team fight WITH a purchase to get into the zone, etc etc. Campaign, all you need is points for participating, and you can pretty much participate on any job doing anything and wearing nothing and still get SOME reward.

[Nattack]

that right there is a cleverly disguised "no u"

[Ultimagi]

I would play the game more if the player base was not retarded, whiny little bitches that argue to make the game less easily accessable then go back to the vicious cycle of moaning that the game is not accessable. Stop and think for a moment, you might break free of the cycle.

You're telling water not to be wet.

[hypnotizd]

To expand on what Nevex is saying, BLU is maybe the best campaign job, because it's the only melee aside from if you want to count PLD or RDM that can easily stay alive on a mob solo without /dnc.

WHM/NIN with Mystic Boon.

[Baelorn]

I'd respect your silly responses more if you actually played the game.

His silly argument? It's a lot better than "wahh I had to pay for mine".

[Starr]

Are you going to answer any of the issues I have put forward or continue this bullshit? You are boring me and I would like to see responses to the points I have put forward. Do continue to try and offend my intelligence if you cannot argue the valid points myself and Damane have put forward though.

[Xanthe]

To expand on what Nevex is saying, BLU is maybe the best campaign job, because it's the only melee aside from if you want to count PLD or RDM that can easily stay alive on a mob solo without /dnc.

DRG/WHM is better than any of those.

[Day]

You got a nice campaign body Ash... rawr.

[Starr]

Also if you wanna put money into the equation so be it, I agree that would be fairer.

[Fridell]

His silly argument? It's a lot better than "wahh I had to pay for mine".

Where did I say "waaaah I had to pay for mine?"
Get your own epic body piece asshole, I will lol at you if we get anything like it from Campaign and you get it and say that my piece was through hard work rather then casual crap like Campaign that doesn't require even some kind of team up, Ashira covered it up pretty damn well, now go away.

[Starr]

But still requires money (which you don't need to do campaign) and at least -some- cooperation with other people, though Dynamis wasn't really intended to be a trio or less event and I don't know of people really doing trios in Beaucedine like they would in Xarc -- so as far as the thought process for SE goes in comparing to something like a Campaign piece, it still fits. Ixion is to be earned in a team fight or purchased, Black Cloak is purchased, Dynamis is earned in a team fight WITH a purchase to get into the zone, etc etc. Campaign, all you need is points for participating, and you can pretty much participate on any job doing anything and wearing nothing and still get SOME reward.

I do not see how that has covered the issue very well at all, also Morrigan's is not hard to obtain it just takes multiple times killing the same shit. I have to go now but I will continue later.

[Damane]

But still requires money (which you don't need to do campaign) and at least -some- cooperation with other people, though Dynamis wasn't really intended to be a trio or less event and I don't know of people really doing trios in Beaucedine like they would in Xarc -- so as far as the thought process for SE goes in comparing to something like a Campaign piece, it still fits. Ixion is to be earned in a team fight or purchased, Black Cloak is purchased, Dynamis is earned in a team fight WITH a purchase to get into the zone, etc etc. Campaign, all you need is points for participating, and you can pretty much participate on any job doing anything and wearing nothing and still get SOME reward.

yeah but refresh bodys are not such a big thing nowadays, ecxept for rdm brd and maybe blu (tough seen alot with relic bodys).

every job has some different sources to get one. It not beeing a team effort shouldnt be an argument. The only jobs benefiting realy from this would be BLU RDM BRD (oh and PUP), I wouldnt mind if they would, more power to them seriously, and its not like its gonna break the game by all means.

[Fridell]

What's harder? Do all the shit that takes to get a Refresh piece, or do fucking Campaign?

Starr go play WoW.
While we're at it, why not just ask SE to send us great equipment to our deliverboxes when we start the game?

[Ashira]

Now, if it required so many points to get some sort of item to go pop something and kill with a group of people, and bring back a drop to THEN earn the reward as well as the top rank type thing - that would put it on a more even keel then, imo.

[Sho]

Unless they really mix up how they measure performance in campaign this will massively unbalanced and always be won by PLD/DNC or SAM/DNC.

BLM, RDM (playing as a RDM not meleeing), BLU etc will never ever get even close.

It sounds like they have a cut of point, so if you earn less 1,000 exp in the battle you can not lot.

Still that will mean a SAM will mediate to 300 TP, Sekkanoki, Spam WS till they get hate, Tank that mob (self healing) until its dead, AFK for the rest of the battle and still make the cut.

Whereas a BLM will be stunning TP moves, Sleeping groups, nuking, enfeebling, DoTing, elemental enfeebles for the whole battle and will get 1004 exp

No idea what you mean here, as my BLU averages 1.8~2.9k exp each campaign as is.

[Baelorn]

Where did I say "waaaah I had to pay for mine?"
Get your own epic body piece asshole, I will lol at you if we get anything like it from Campaign and you get it and say that my piece was through hard work rather then casual crap like Campaign that doesn't require even some kind of team up, Ashira covered it up pretty damn well, now go away.

Aww did I hurt your feelings?

Refresh pieces are not hard to get anymore outside of a couple jobs. You have to work for a black cloak because you have to pay 10k for it...That's your big point? That's the card you want to play when your argument fucking sucks? So be it.

[Charismatic]

Where did I say "waaaah I had to pay for mine?"
Get your own epic body piece asshole, I will lol at you if we get anything like it from Campaign and you get it and say that my piece was through hard work rather then casual crap like Campaign that doesn't require even some kind of team up, Ashira covered it up pretty damn well, now go away.

Even if you didn't say it before, you're saying it now.

[Damane]

Now, if it required so many points to get some sort of item to go pop something and kill with a group of people, and bring back a drop to THEN earn the reward as well as the top rank type thing - that would put it on a more even keel then, imo.

Seriously I dont think its bad to reward people that do alot of campaign. Some people actually rather like doing that then PTing.

[Ashira]

I do not see how that has covered the issue very well at all, also Morrigan's is not hard to obtain it just takes multiple times killing the same shit. I have to go now but I will continue later.

Morri also takes money and typically team effort, most Salvage is not soloable. Unless you're Kaeko.

Granted, things like Black Cloak are not expensive these days, but it was much more unique some time back, and Noble's even more so and for a long time most Noble's were obtained only by those who were killing Kirin and such, they weren't commonplace on the AH.

[Fridell]

Aww did I hurt your feelings?

Refresh pieces are not hard to get anymore outside of a couple jobs. You have to work for a black cloak because you have to pay 10k for it...That's your big point? That's the card you want to play when your argument fucking sucks? So be it.

No brother, I just find it funny how stupid you must be in general.
"Not hard" is not comparable with the effort it takes to get a Robe for example, it's not hard, but requires way more effort then a fucking Campaign