24 songs= $80,000 per song.

[Cyn]

Well the trade-off was always publicity for the artists, but now that it can be handled so much more easily by the internet there's less need for the labels (who are the ones actually making the giant profit from album sales). So basically the majors should just try to sue the internet itself, because that makes two ways that it's cutting into their profits.

[Shinryuu]

This dumb fucking topic has made me listen to Right Said Fred's "I'm Too Sexy" like 3 times now, who is with me

[Beckwin]

Actually, majority of composers made money by composing for hire (either for theater or private), teaching music, and of course, for performance.

Selling overpriced CDs and Digital Downloads is a phenomenon of the 20th/21st century, which is only sustainable it seems, due to copyright laws.

aye.

one thing in particular that's been so great about the internet is how artists who make music that doesn't really fit in other media (film, theater, games, etc) nor is it easily accessible for audiences in a bar/club can freely transmit their ideas worldwide and comfortably exist in a niche, relying on internet+word of mouth to be able to support small venue tours and continue making music. a lot of experimental/electronica fits this bill.

[guartz]

Hail and well met, Beckwin!

I say 'aye' all the time too, in casual conversation even. Most people don't notice, and I'm glad.

More on topic,

Do you think making distinction between artists and virtuosos is relevant enough to this thread?

[Dimmauk]

This dumb fucking topic has made me listen to Right Said Fred's "I'm Too Sexy" like 3 times now, who is with me

HAHAHA! Got you good fucker!

Vin Diesel was so gay back then
http://img.skitch.com/20080922-tcd5h...3f.preview.jpg

[Khamsin]

Hail and well met, Beckwin!

I say 'aye' all the time too, in casual conversation even. Most people don't notice, and I'm glad.

More on topic,

Do you think making distinction between artists and virtuosos is relevant enough to this thread?

Because 'aye' is just a sound of assent. Even a simple grunt will do.

Just try saying "Hail and well met" in casual conversation and see if people still don't notice.

[guartz]

Just try saying "Hail and well met" in casual conversation and see if people still don't notice.

It's a gentleman's challenge then.

[Beckwin]

Hail and well met, Beckwin!

I say 'aye' all the time too, in casual conversation even. Most people don't notice, and I'm glad.

More on topic,

Do you think making distinction between artists and virtuosos is relevant enough to this thread?

nah, don't think it's relevant.

[Jefe]

I'll assume that the pics on your avatar/sig are used without the copyright holder's permission, therefore illegal. In that case, why are you using them?

(...)

You would assume correct. I'm aware of the ethical implications of my behaviour. The difference is that I'm not living in denial trying to come up with some bullshit excuse to justify my actions.

wow, thanks for enlightening me. I totally didn't know that what I was doing was against the law. and because it's a law, it means it must be right! therefore my argument has no merit! of course, it's so easy! wow you're so smart

my god do you ever contribute anything worthwhile to any discussion?

Lawl, too easy. Irrelevant conclusion, etc. Nobody is debating whether all laws are just or unjust, Einstein. Your entire "argument" from the very beginning is laughable. What's next, are you going to bring the Jim Crow Laws or Nümberger Gesetze to support your "argument"? Please.

[Rammses]

Then please elaborate what those ethical implications are, that you are apparently aware of.

[guartz]

I'd like to know the ethical implications too.

[Headspace]

That avatar is an ethical implication.

[guartz]

I know, Meteora didn't buy the picture rights, therefore the studio and the model lost money. Which is same thing as theft.

[Gregorio]

This is the only time I've ever agreed with Beckwin and Guartz in the same thread.

[Beckwin]

Nobody is debating whether all laws are just or unjust, Einstein.

Lots of people trying to make themselves feel better, but dl copyrighted material w/o the holders' permission is illegal. End of story, and stop the bullshit "analogies," although those are good for a chuckle.

mmmm-hmmm.

you're not saying that all laws are just, but you're assuming laws in general are just for the sake of this particular debate since you aren't providing reasoning for why this particular action is illegal.
if you need to clarify and then go ahead, but you're still a shitty poster.

[archibaldcrane]

HAHAHA! Got you good fucker!

I love me a well-placed Super Troopers quote.

[Jefe]

mmmm-hmmm.

you're not saying that all laws are just, but you're assuming laws in general are just for the sake of this particular debate since you aren't providing reasoning for why this particular action is illegal.
if you need to clarify and then go ahead, but you're still a shitty poster.

You're just assuming I'm assuming, gg. And now for your made up bullshit, which is the majority of your posts really, you pull some shit out of your ass and "attack" (lol) that instead of the other person's original argument. Ok, so let's look at your straw man, tell me where, according to you, I claimed all laws are just when I gave you two, not one, but two (2, II, 0b10, http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c699f3247a.jpg, http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/af02f8d9d1.jpg) fucking examples that completely contradict your claim. It's painful sarcastic and the only way to make it even more obvious is to put /sarcasm tags all over it, you'd have to be a complete idiot to not treat it as such. OR perhaps I was giving you waaaaaaaaay too much credit and didn't realize you're so dense, even more so than a fucking white dwarf not to pick that up (wat). Go ahead and jack off to your korean drama, wallow in your dubu, pussy-talk about me in other threads for all I get is nothing but pure orgasmic enjoyment.

[Plow]

wow, thanks for enlightening me. I totally didn't know that what I was doing was against the law. and because it's a law, it means it must be right! therefore my argument has no merit! of course, it's so easy! wow you're so smart

my god do you ever contribute anything worthwhile to any discussion?

If you think the law is bad and should therefore be broken, start up a website with a few thousand songs to download for free, and claim they're "gifts" to all the people on the internet you don't know, then fight the law.


Oh, what's that? You're full of shit and just want free music? Thought so.

here let's play mad libs with meteora's terriquote just to show how stupid he is:

Lots of people trying to make themselves feel better, but black people voting is illegal. End of story, and stop the bullshit "analogies," although those are good for a chuckle.

If I was black I would find you and backhand your ass for that comment.


edit, because some retard is guaranteed to try to jump on that, the offense is over comparing black voters' rights to stealing music

[Plow]

mmmm-hmmm.

you're not saying that all laws are just, but you're assuming laws in general are just for the sake of this particular debate since you aren't providing reasoning for why this particular action is illegal.
if you need to clarify and then go ahead, but you're still a shitty poster.

You want clarification?

If people torrent Ronald Jenkees music instead of buying it, Ronald Jenkees can't afford to keep making amazing music for us all to listen to.

And, if you're partaking in bringing that scenario to fruition, well, fuck you, in the ass, with a broomstick, sideways.

[guartz]

If you think the law is bad and should therefore be broken, start up a website with a few thousand songs to download for free, and claim they're "gifts" to all the people on the internet you don't know, then fight the law.


Oh, what's that? You're full of shit and just want free music? Thought so.

What's the point of this post? You made no counter points, you said nothing to add to your argument and you failed to even address the topic.