24 songs= $80,000 per song.

[Plow]

That's how laws get changed.

Way to completely dodge the rest of the argument tho. /goflclap

[Plow]

and jenkees selling any albums is reliant entirely on youtube and his stuff getting passed around the internet in other various forms. and him selling albums is great for him; goes back to my point that (enough) people will be willing to buy your music if they want to support a particular artist directly- buying merch and going to shows are other ways people show their support. just like the old days before copyright law/recorded media.

Why the hell do you get to decide what is "enough"?

[Beckwin]

there's a reason that word is in parenthesis

laws can get changed by people just ignoring them. take the texas sodomy ban that was repealed- I don't think the gays/anal enthusiasts of the fine State of Texas held public buttfucking demonstrations in order to get it passed- no, they just ignored it and carried on doing what they were doing, and eventually everyone (even in texas) realized how stupid the law was and did away with it.

[Plow]

there's a reason that word is in parenthesis

What is that reason?

The reason it's in parentheses is because you realize that the argument completely fails when you just leave it as "people," because 3 people buying something doesn't help shit. So you decided to add in "enough" to make it look like, well, enough.

laws can get changed by people just ignoring them. take the texas sodomy ban that was repealed- I don't think the gays/anal enthusiasts of the fine State of Texas held public buttfucking demonstrations in order to get it passed- no, they just ignored it and carried on doing what they were doing, and eventually everyone (even in texas) realized how stupid the law was and did away with it.

You should research your shit. People got in trouble for it, and raised a ruckus. It got fixed.

[Jefe]

YOU SAID THAT COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS WERE WRONG BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL. YOU MADE NO OTHER ARGUMENT AS TO WHY THEY WERE WRONG. you said any arguments and analogies to the contrary were nothing but attempts to make people doing something wrong feel better. I don't know how much clearer I can make this; now you're trying (badly) to set up a red herring to weasel your way out of this. again, here's your quote of stupid:

Lots of people trying to make themselves feel better, but dl copyrighted material w/o the holders' permission is illegal. End of story, and stop the bullshit "analogies," although those are good for a chuckle.

I stand by my quote and thanks for proving yet again my point, fucking liar. Any individual with common sense will see through your made up bullshit and how you tried to twist it.

(..)

and meteora, you didn't give your two examples until after the fact, nice try at saving face though (as I called that you would). you are such a shitty poster that it makes me lawl. run along now and make some completely pointless posts in other topics.

I know you pull crap out of your ass to save some face, but this one it's just pathetic. The examples I gave you, that would be my second post in the entire thread, genius, was a reply to your post which was a reply to my first post, got that? It's unedited, so go ahead and check since you claim I added the points "after." Unless... you meant I actually predicted what you were going to post? Gasp! You, lying weasel you.

[Beckwin]

and if anyone is hurt financially by copyright infringement, the greatest hurt is probably felt by the recording industry (based on them bitching the most while worthwhile artists [this category does not include Ulrich] don't care or actually encourage it), so by just ignoring the law and continuing to download, we are (apparently) destroying the companies that lobby for the shitty laws (DMC act) and prosecute soccer moms.

[Plow]

and plow.

I mean he just got done chastising me for supposedly comparing filesharing to civil rights struggles (which I didn't; I merely demonstrated how a logical process fails in a parallel situation with extremity of situation added for effect), then goes right around and says I should take the same sort of public action as the civil rights movement to make filesharing legal/change copyright laws.

Also, to get back to this:

Black people didn't just casually slip votes in and ignore the law. They went out and fought for their rights.

If you think you have a right to free music, go out and fight for it. Don't sit on your ass stealing shit and compare yourself to some of the greatest Americans in history.

[Gregorio]

Sooo...if you're not willing to be a martyr you can't be opposed to a law?

[Beckwin]

I stand by my quote and thanks for proving yet again my point, fucking liar. Any individual with common sense will see through your made up bullshit and how you tried to twist it.



I know you pull crap out of your ass to save some face, but this one it's just pathetic. The examples I gave you, that would be my second post in the entire thread, genius, was a reply to your post which was a reply to my first post, got that? It's unedited, so go ahead and check since you claim I added the points "after." Unless... you meant I actually predicted what you were going to post? Gasp! You, lying weasel you.

yes, your first post you made the shit generalization/terrible argument, then after I called you on it you made a couple exceptions to out of it. In my subsequent post, I told you that if you need to with the clarifications then that's fine, but that you're still a shitty poster, which you most certainly are (just reminding you).

nice try here kiddo but fuck off with your weaseling. you made a stupid fucking point/argument/whatever so either admit it sucks or just quit.

[Plow]

Go right ahead, just don't go comparing saving yourself some cash by getting shit for free to fighting for your rights.

[Beckwin]

Sooo...if you're not willing to be a martyr you can't be opposed to a law?

according to plow, who is trying to frame the whole argument now as comparing ignoring copyright law to the civil rights movement. quite the herring.

[Plow]

yes, your first post you made the shit generalization/terrible argument, then after I called you on it you made a couple exceptions to out of it. In my subsequent post, I told you that if you need to with the clarifications then that's fine, but that you're still a shitty poster, which you most certainly are (just reminding you).

nice try here kiddo but fuck off with your weaseling. you made a stupid fucking point/argument/whatever so either admit it sucks or just quit.

No, beckwin, you're simply making straw men.

Nowhere did he state that being illegal is what makes it wrong.


It's exactly like how you turned me saying people will stop paying for music if they can get it free into absolutely everyone everywhere under all circumstances will stop ever paying for music no matter what if they can get it for free.

It's really rather hilarious to watch though, especially because when you realize your strawmen and semantics bullshit won't work you just turn to insults and telling people to go away.

[Plow]

according to plow, who is trying to frame the whole argument now as comparing ignoring copyright law to the civil rights movement. quite the herring.

hahahaha....


oh lawd, absolutely brilliant coming from you, bravo

[Beckwin]

Also, to get back to this:

Black people didn't just casually slip votes in and ignore the law. They went out and fought for their rights.

If you think you have a right to free music, go out and fight for it. Don't sit on your ass stealing shit and compare yourself to some of the greatest Americans in history.

and there are law school teams working on ways to beat the RIAA lawsuits. I'm not a lawyer. in a consumer based capitalist society, one effective way of protesting a corporation is with your consumerism; don't buy what you don't support.

but no, again, the only way to change things is by demonstrating. and if you don't demonstrate for something it means you don't really support it. or something.

[Plow]

and there are law school teams working on ways to beat the RIAA lawsuits. I'm not a lawyer. in a consumer based capitalist society, one effective way of protesting a corporation is with your consumerism; don't buy what you don't support.

but no, again, the only way to change things is by demonstrating. and if you don't demonstrate for something it means you don't really support it. or something.

don't buy what you don't support =/= go steal it instead

[Jefe]

Lots of people trying to make themselves feel better, but dl copyrighted material w/o the holders' permission is illegal. End of story, and stop the bullshit "analogies," although those are good for a chuckle.

I stand by my quote

Either you can't read, or get your head out of your rectum. Oh, and I never claimed I was an "excellent," or even "good" poster, no sr. But you know what? At least I'm not a pathetic loser telling lies and twisting others' words to get my point across, I bet you that helps you sleep at night, doesn't it? Fucking weasel.

[Beckwin]

hahahaha....


oh lawd, absolutely brilliant coming from you, bravo

the only reason I brought up civil rights movements is to emphasize how poorly meteora's logic works; it should've been done there. but leave it to you to run with it and turn it into a red herring.

this thread got plow'd

[Beckwin]

Either you can't read, or get your head out of your rectum. Oh, and I never claimed I was an "excellent," or even "good" poster, no sr. But you know what? At least I'm not a pathetic loser telling lies and twisting others' words to get my point across, I bet you that helps you sleep at night, doesn't it? Fucking weasel.

so you stand by your quote even though you know the logic is bad due to a myriad of obvious exceptions, including ones you yourself pointed out?

thanks for clearing things up.

[Plow]

I wasn't attempting to change the direction at all, I simply pointed out that it was a terrible example, and you wanted to argue that it wasn't.

Note how I've been arguing other shit the whole page and you're just trying to talk shit about me calling you out on your bad example?

Speaking of red herrings...

[Beckwin]

don't buy what you don't support =/= go steal it instead

are you saying I'm going and stealing CDs that I'm not buying?

really, if I'm not gonna buy it then it makes little difference what 1's and 0's are on my computer, in a strict sense of property and revenues.