MACC, Bind, and Khimaira

[Kaeko]

I opted to make a new post on this rather than the random Q thread to try to get more views. Anyways,

I have heard some various stories about RDM solo holding Khimaira with RDM/NIN using an incredibly near-maxed Enfeeble/MACC set to consistently land Bind on Khim. I was wondering if anyone had any first hand experience with this.

Given that a RDM secures maxed gear and merits:

276 Base
+16 Enfeeble Merits
+10 MACC (Ice Potency)
+5 INT

Aquilo's Staff
Ice Grip
Aureole (yes a stretch but why not)
Duelist's Chapeau
Enfeebling Torque
Abyssal Earring
Enfeebling Earring
Warlock's Tabard
Valkyrie's Cuffs
Balrahn's Ring
Omega Ring
Altruistic Cape
Witch Sash
Nashira Seraweels
Goliard Clogs

This gives 342 Enfeebling Skill with +40 MACC (consider as +1 skill) and +30 INT.

Assuming you'll get a pretty straight 1 to 1 match on INT vs. Khim (ToAU NMs have fairly low INT values I believe), you're looking at a 382 Skill RDM using Bind on a Ice-weak HNM.

Either way, I was just hoping to see if anyone had experience with this. I'm looking at this from the point of view of a theoretical solo with DoT or just a prolonged hold (ignoring the GM call that would surely come). Sort of like a harder version of a Seiryu solo.

(Also, Khim doesn't TP regen at low HP right?)

Any insights appreciated.

EDIT: Also, I know bind lands on Cerberus (see it when we use NIN/DRK and it has the fluke 5% land rate) - could this possibly work on Cerb given enough MACC?

[Yugl]

Sounds interesting, but even without GM call, how would you stop Fulmation (If the NM decided to use that)?

[zard1977]

umm...Khimaira only uses fulmination at low hp.

[Aragon of Odin]

So? He still uses it, and it would cause problems. 35% he has access to use it and trying to kill him with DoT's that means he would have access to it for a long period of time as well.

I'm not 100% sure but I believe he may have some sort of TP regen though, I generally notice him using more TP moves nearing the end of the fight then the rest of the fight.

Also would Draw-In not play a role in this?

[antihero]

Its already retarded easy to hold with a topnotch haste setup on PLD/NIN with a haste belt (ok, maybe not retarded easy, but easy), if you know how to exploit draw-in he almost never gets to swing on you, since the draw-in is all fucked up and he seldom draws you in to him. My personal record is 10 minutes and change but that was until a BRD got there, could probably hold for much longer with finesse. I also don't see this solo happening for the reasons above

[Nevex]

RDM m.acc merits give +3 per upgrade.

Also I don't believe Khim is weak to ice, people just used to assume that because it resists thunder while ice nukes get the extra accuracy bonus from Aquilo's Staff since nearly every BLM doesn't cast anything but Blizzard and Thunder.

[Dramafinderftw]

Its already retarded easy to hold with a topnotch haste setup on PLD/NIN with a haste belt (ok, maybe not retarded easy, but easy), if you know how to exploit draw-in he almost never gets to swing on you, since the draw-in is all fucked up and he seldom draws you in to him.

Draw in exploit? Explain please.

[antihero]

I'm not going to explain it, the last thing I want is the below room temperature IQ fucktards on my server doing it to me, much more fun to just watch them die trying to straight tank it by themselves, it doesn't take much imagination to figure it out, think about how you try and position it by the ledge near the tree (or you should be), and being drawn in to the opposite side of the pit.

[Dramafinderftw]

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[krazylakshmi]

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[antihero]

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[stewie]

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[Gustave]

think about how you try and position it by the ledge near the tree (or you should be), and being drawn in to the opposite side of the pit.

I fucking hate getting sling-shotted into the bushes with the rangers...

I think I might know what your talking about with exploiting it, I'm gonna try it whenever I get a chance.

[Therin]

I call it ping-pong kiting, and yeah, like Rob says, it's very easy. You basically just run from the ledge to the opposite side, and when he draws you in, you run directly opposite whichever way he was before he drew you in. So, in essence, he's drawing you in behind him, which due to pathing gives you ample time to go the opposite way if you get him caught on the ledges and whatnot. It saved us from a near-wipe once when our stunners weren't paying any attention. ;P

As for sticking Bind, I've done it a few times with regular sets on a BLM character so I'm certain a maxed out RDM would be able to land it with decent proficiency. However, it might be more beneficial just to kite it and not even worry about the Bind.

*EDIT* I did see two RDMs duo it down to about 87% with nothing but Bio II using this strategy, before reinforcements arrived. It was a JP linkshell on Fairy, actually. You wouldn't believe how easy it is with two people! I don't know if they'd ever be able to solo it all the way down because one bad TP move (not just Fulmination either - a badly timed Dreadstorm can screw up your entire strategy) could end it, but the two that I watched got fairly lucky with Mist and Tourbillion.

[Kaeko]

The draw in thing is pretty interesting. Since it draws you in to a particular set point and not where it currently is you can exploit that hm. As far as the TP regen question, I ask because really you don't ever have to feed TP if you are ok with just using poison II.

This was more a question of interest and possibly solo holding. I know you'll get GM'd to hell and back before you get Khim anywhere near Fulmination.

[Tsuko_Asura]

If you're successfully lowering his HP, I don't see why you'd be in any danger of being jailed.

[Gustave]

We were contacted by a GM the other day for holding khim. We had something like rdm whm brd cor pld nin. I was using full atonement spam set while rdm was keeping bioII on it. We had him down to 84% in around 15-20 mins which wasn't too bad considering we started out just holding(cerb poped about 7 mins before khim) and atonement does 1/2 dmg.

The GM asked what my strategy was at this point and wasn't to pleased when I replied with atonement/bio/katana dmg. I was then told we had 30 mins to gather more ppl and do significant dmg. It was a bit dissapointing since the jp on my server was fighting him with mnk brd whm rdm the other day.

[antihero]

it just depends on what GM you get, we've gotten a total fucktard of a GM who asked what our BRDs and RDMs were doing standing around, and demanded they engage or we be jailed...on the flip side the same group of retards holds khimaira for ages beyond reproach pretty fucking often

[ErzaScarlet]

I'm not 100% sure but I believe he may have some sort of TP regen though, I generally notice him using more TP moves nearing the end of the fight then the rest of the fight.

A lot of people dont realize how Mob TP AI works, from 100% to 26% mob HP mobs will use their TP above 100% but there is no guarantee how quickly or slowly they will use it. Also if you stun them there is a random interval until they will next use their tp.

From 25% down Mob AI causes them to TP immediately upon reaching 100%, and if you stun they will immediately follow with another TP move. This can give the deception of TPregain below 25%.

Now I am unable to answer your question about Khim having tp regain I've never really givin it thought, Hopefully we'll get a 4 AM pop soon so we only have a handful ppl and i can pay attention to it.

[Mayareira]

Khimaira does not have Regain. You can test it by simply ceasing TP-feed for a moment at low HP.