What will you do when XIV Arrives?

[LD]

That is my position, but you spoke of the 'How' of the current situation instead of actually contesting (or really referencing) any point I made (i.e. the oppressive tedium of making money alone). Making something difficult to obtain will obviously increase its price when sold, but the point is that isn't always necessary, and when it is (done in FFXI), it's usually done too severely.

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The only difference I see between exp and gil is the minimum and maximum you can make in a given amount of time (when you're actually working for it, I should say). Exp is also gained through a trading of time and effort of some sort, it's just you get a greater (and/or arguably, more appropriately) proportionate amount for the time you invest. With gil, on the other hand, you can gain a large amount in a relatively short amount of time, or significantly less over a large amount of time. The latter, which is how most people usually do it, is tedious and time-consuming. Some people can schedule their days around other people, but I'm sure most people can't consistently commit time to making money with other events and in-game necessities to consider. Hell, the only reason (non-gil farming) people still crap out these low-value items is because they're necessary to keep the economy going, so they're a reliable source of income. The problem, once more, is the disproportionate cost of the high-value items people want to buy.

The same logic that lead SE to finally relent and improve solo play is the same that logic that drives one to desire greater solo money making. The argument has been made that easing the leveling grind lowers the value of being Lv75 (it becomes less of an accompishment). That might be right, but grinding isn't fun, fighting at your best is (and then, just barely). If you get into a discussion about economics, that's ignoring the fact that this is a game and other games have been able to balance their economy with their game play.

I will take something back though, some mobs should be made easier, but not in the manner in which they're fought. They should be changed in the manner or frequency in which they pop, are claimed, and/or drop valuable items. This way, the value of the items would be based purely on the difficulty of the mob rather than the difficulty of claiming it. The long downtimes are completely arbitrary and only serve to inflate the value of the items they drop. Fafnir isn't hard, there are mobs that are much harder and give worse loot. Again, if the economy is rooted in bad game play, it's a bad economy and isn't worth defending. The 'How' of it is irrelevant if it can be changed, and there's no reason it can't be. I expect it to be changed greatly in FFXIV. If it isn't, the least they could do is make the 'soloable' gear functional, instead of the beetle harnesses we tend to get.

[Cadsuane]

I disagree with you on the similarity between exp and gil, because acquiring exp isn't an economic transaction. In economics, producing a commodity lowers its value, and consuming one raises it. A merit party that kills x mobs an hour does not deplete or augment potential global exp stockpiles or its value. It is not a finite commodity to be traded, but rather a parametre that the game can produce in infinite quantities as long as players kill mobs. Not subject to supply and demand in other words. No trading is going on.

You say other MMOs have been able to molify economies but I really think that they substitute them with child-proof imitations . In a game where, for instance, you kill mobs to get currency which you give to NPCs in exchange for goods which you kill more mobs with and so forth, you don't actually have an economy. The mobs have an infinite potential supply of currency and the NPCs have an infinite potential supply of goods. While you're essentially performing the same activities of farming and so forth, the whole element of economic competition with other players is completely absent. I think this is important to note, because competition is really just another word for participation in an MMO. In FFXI, the amount of money you make farming silk threads is completely irrespective of an arbitrary NPC price but dependant on the consumption of weavers and the yield of other crawler farmers.

Honestly I think I refuted your post very well, since you still seem to be arguing for better solo farming without addressing the issue of its marketability. Granted, you don't need to address it at all if you want there to be an almost totally NPC regulated system a la WoW, but that's not actually an economy per se as I've explained. You need to think of ways to increase the value of the service that farmers and miners and loggers provide if you want to make it less tedious. (edit) Either that, or make it so haguns etc. rain from the sky. I think for the most part, it's fucked. A level 1 toon mining has the same output as a level 75 one, which means any fuckhead can compete with your mining operation, and your services as one are poorly appreciated as a result. Just like how anyone can be a janitor; that's why they aren't paid 6 figures a year.

[LD]

How is focusing on the economy fun?

[Cadsuane]

Not touching that one. ":3

[Toksyuryel]

Unless a fucking miracle happens, I'll never play another SE MMO ever again.

[Ker]

Already Quite FFXI after finishing my relic horn and was on final stage of Great katana but lost my interest since I'm doing same stuff for past 8 years so if Ghorn didn't improve my enjoyment not like Great Katana will, I am excited for FF14 cause we'll have fresh new world to mess with and god knows what End games Content will be provided on or after release next year.

[Hiroshima]

I quit FFXI a while ago, and will try FFXIV day one. Beta if possible but fat chance of that actually happening.

[texslix]

Well this thread seems to discriminate against those of us who retired from FFXI from all the drama and bs.

But while I do not need to quit FFXI as I don't play it I probably would if it were free =p

As it were I'd rather find me a good job and save up some vacation days haha
But yah gonna grind XP hard and explore a lot but expect to save a lot of lost energy by having a solid core of knowledgable people rather than just shouting in town for help and praying the person is jpn and friendly.

[Eldelphia]

What I'm not going to do is throw away the real world to prat around online anymore - if 14 is playable casually (cos until recent stuff 11 sure as fuck wasn't really) then perhaps I'll pick it up, or if it's released at a time when work's quiet so I have the time to put into it at the start maybe, but I'm not going to try to squeeze more game "work" into my life than I've got room for this time round... AND I'M NOT FUCKING EVER DOING DYNAMIS (or whatever they call it this time) AT 4AM AGAIN.

Whatever happens I'll prob keep 11 ticking over for a while till I see who goes where or whatever - haven't quite got the heart to pull the plug on my silly hume yet.

Exactly how I feel. I'm really not sure about getting sucked into another MMORPG - however much fun they are and so if I do it, I'm taking a huge step back from where I am now.

If I do XIV, I'll ditch XI

[100percentile]

Quit XI a long time ago. Completely done with that game. Every time I see screenshots of it makes me a little sick in the stomach tbh.

Going to play XIV beta/day 1 mostly because they say it'll be much more casual friendly. I don't need another timesink/job I have to pay for in my life. Just want to have fun with a bunch of friends in this new MMO.

[eunhye]

Gameplay is a big factor. If it's a lot like FFTA and such I'm down. I do hope they make it easier more casual. Why? You already put 5 years in XI why do you need more drama from people over some shit item?

[Sylo]

i'd try out FFXIV just to see how fun it is, if it's dumb bak too ffxi!

[Kaluuki]

Gonna play the game when it comes out, duh.

[Madalynn]

Getting the fuck out of Vana'diel, honestly.

I only stay on FFXI for friends at this point, many of whom are either jumping to FFXIV or quitting altogether. For me, personally, there's not much else to experience or discover in FFXI anymore.

[Jogikat]

Will keep paying for ff11, but i've pretty much lost the motivation to invest any quality time into the game beyond helping out the LS. Looking forward to 14 for sure.

[Skyylya]

i quit ffxi about 2 years ago. i'm sure i'll at least try ffxiv and depending on how much time is required i'll either continue or stop playing.

[zanx3210]

I'll be doing my best for FFXIV PVP

[FallingHigher]

Probably starting out with my clique that I hung out with in XI, that's if you can choose what server to play on.