Famitsu - Creating a Monster: Pandemonium Warden

[TummieGaruda]

I'll tell you this much: I wouldn't trust anything that anyone has tried on AV with no success. A large part of why AV remained untouchable for so long is because people failed at the execution of their theories, posted about it, and people took their word for it.

Partial failed execution and lacking in a conclusive evidence. A lot of people saw the video, tried to lock with matching 2hrs, and then found that AV still used 2hr's, proceeded to say the theory flat out didn't work, packed it up and went home. I don't think there were many LS's that went thru and checked to see how many 2HR's AV had access to after the alliance used 2hr's etc.

Many people took the video for what it was, though that if you matched your 2HR to the one AV uses, it would lock that 2HR out. When it didn't, people just threw out the 2HR theory instead of expanding upon it. There were some LS's that took the 2HR idea and tested different things, but I have no idea what the results were.

As far as LS's keeping secrets, I don't think that monopolization has much to do with it as many believe it to be. Even if a LS figures it out and shares the info, it's not like some random LS is going to go out to Sea, kill Love, get AV and kill it with ease. It's more about notoriety, ego, and credit. If a prestigious LS came to the forums and posted their notes on all PW attempts and came up with some kind of strat after 10 months, and then some no name LS comes in, take that info and gets the first kill after 2 attempts, that LS would get all the fanfare, while the first LS that did all the hard work would get nothing. This is why I believe most LS's are protecting their information. The ego bit is so they can say they are the first ones, etc..you know how it is.

[BRP]

Wonderful! It is a quest. Congratulations on figuring that out.

You still obtain it/the reward(s) by doing missions.

[Demosthenes11]

the entire community has benefited, at one point or another in time, from findings and the sharing of information from the community itself. Hiding information is such a dick move I don't know why it's accepted. Then again, if you start selling AV drops, all it takes is 1 person on your server to go and watch and report back. Is holding back the entire community for months before an AV kill worth 1-2 AVs worth of drops in a few months?

[Yugl]

Wonderful! It is a quest. Congratulations on figuring that out.

You still obtain it/the reward(s) by doing missions.

Grats on being butthurt by a correction.

[BRP]

I have yet to be corrected lol.

[warrior2582]

Most of the endgame linkshells just want to know how to kill AV for profits and the loot. Its clear that they do not give a shit about sharing. If they did they would not be offering merc services, but instead give the person the chance to experience the thrill of the kill. I personally think its sad that they prefer to sell their drops from PW considering the efforts it took to kill it, but epenis > trophy gear from the kill.

I would personally prefer to receive the hints that Apathy provides as oppose to Fndragon's useless "STFU" statements. Their hints may lead to an AV kill someday, where as Fndragon's comments are completely useless complaining.

/endrant

[jaryk]

First off, maybe we should wait until someone actually kills AV before we go spouting off on how they're holding information from us. They may just have a handful of ideas that they're trying to some degrees of success and don't want to be like the majority of the fucktards on this forum who spout off theory after theory. Secondly, who gives a shit if Apathy is selling their PW drops, aside from H2H the other items are better than anything else in the game and thus give them no reason to keep them if they choose not to. I would also imagine that most of the people in the LS would prefer the gil to acquire quite a few other items instead. Why do so many people decide to chime in when other LS's are doing things they think are inappropriate, but these seem people don't have the nutsack to speak up when some e-whore is fucking the sackholders and stealing a bank.

[Narse]

The SS I talked of earlier (we actually had it at 43% I believe but I was dead at that point):

Spoiler: show

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9...0624221413.jpg

It seems the timestamp didn't finish scrolling up before I took the SS, but you can make out the Vanadiel day, which if you do the math on it is the 24th in the evening. As far as AV and information goes, we obviously haven't figured out how to kill it yet, or we would be discussing killing AV instead of locking its 2hrs. Unfortunately locking its 2hrs doesn't really mean much when it meteors at will and has MAB from bracelets. Also, while we are able to lock 2hrs there is a certain degree of fallacy (though not much at this point; I believe our last attempt locked all 2hrs we attempted to on the first go-round) to our method, and until we figure out just why that is, there is no purpose in putting out potentially false information about AV. Enough of that floating around as is, and it's severely hampered people's progress on AV.

[Suiram]

I personally just like reading about AV, whether it's detailed exposition or a teasing screenshot. It's some of the only exciting stuff except around version update time. If you feel like answering, are you saying that when Meteor is used in bracelets form he has the damage multiplier that previously only accompanied uses during Manafont?

[Narse]

It's not as strong as when he Manafonts. It's survivable if you're geared top-notch and you're at full, but him freely casting it just as he would any other spell is just too devastating. Causes hate loss, which causes positioning changes, he does another one and wipes the mages, etc.

[Suiram]

Ah, I see. It likewise affects the wind spells I'm guessing, too? If you happen to get a couple pieces of controlled data (known INT and relevant buffs on target) from Aero5/Tornado2, could probably figure out the exact MAB increase/multiplier.

[Virtuous Saint]

Ah, I see. It likewise affects the wind spells I'm guessing, too? If you happen to get a couple pieces of controlled data (known INT and relevant buffs on target) from Aero5/Tornado2, could probably figure out the exact MAB increase/multiplier.

Yes it affects everything, bracelets give atk boost MAB boost and possibly -physical or just increased DEF. Simple fact is even if everyone knew how to lock 2hrs and were doing it constantly they would all be dying when it gets to bracelets. 2000-2200 unbuffed 10 people hit, where as normal meteor is 1000-1200 10 people hit.

It is incredibly hard when it pulls out bracelets, and the only way to survive is if you have everyone casting in -MDT +MDB and swapping WHM parties. WHM party in range healing tanks swaps with WHM party out of range when meteor is casted. They continue this until it is dead, and this requires an incredible amount of people. It goes from easily handled before bracelets, to unbelievably hard, nearly impossible with bracelets. What I described above is basically only way to handle it with bracelets, and we don't have the people for that, so we are still looking at other things, and we will not give up.

To give you an idea of meteor with bracelets, I was on BLM/RDM at the time, had Shell IV, -24% MDT in gear, +9MDB in gear, 380SS, 116INT, and took 646, 10 targets hit. Normal would have been half that or less. Without those buffs and 10 people hit I would have taken 2000-3000+.

[Spira]

not going to waste my time multiquoting yugl.

you can categorize them whichever way you like, the missions and quests are effectively the same in terms of rewards. the core difference is in terms of the execution of gameplay, which you obviously don't care to add to this discussion, because it doesn't involve the original matter at hand.

some quests aren't quests. some missions aren't missions. the only difference is what SE calls it, and how SE wants it to work.

the kazham airship pass can be obtained in two ways, both of which do not show up on the quest log. so, they're not technically quests. you are wrong.

you need to flag the BRD job before the quest for it appears in your log. it never appears in the "current" log. its a quest? apparently not when you do it.

then there are non-story missions

campaign ops like Splitting Heirs count as missions if you want to go by technical terms, and can give amazing rewards. reward-from missions is already looking better than any other expansion. assaults random ??? bs cannot even compare.

[Demosthenes11]

Also, while we are able to lock 2hrs there is a certain degree of fallacy (though not much at this point; I believe our last attempt locked all 2hrs we attempted to on the first go-round) to our method, and until we figure out just why that is, there is no purpose in putting out potentially false information about AV. Enough of that floating around as is, and it's severely hampered people's progress on AV.

terrible excuse; nobody believes that shit for a second. if you said what you did to lock the 2hours, it could be tested and hopefully replicated which means it's figured out earlier. just admit that you want to be the first to kill it and move on already, stop making bullshit ass excuses

[Narse]

terrible excuse; nobody believes that shit for a second.

Couldn't care less.

[drwaffles]

Could care less.

Wish people would learn how to correctly use this expression in order to avoid saying the exact opposite of what they intended to say.

[Cairthenn]

Wish people would learn how to correctly use this expression in order to avoid saying the exact opposite of what they intended to say.

I could not care any less than what I currently do.

What's the problem, mumpy?

[Spira]

both expressions are right.

couldn't care less = i care so little, it cant go any lower.

could care less = i care a little, but i could go lower.. so now i'm caring less about it (could go to the extent of not caring)

[Kipling]

Wish people would learn how to correctly use this expression in order to avoid saying the exact opposite of what they intended to say.

And the award for most useless post in this topic goes to..

[Yugl]

So we've learned is that missions and quests are defined by what Spira says they are (Strangely familiar...); quests in the quest log apparently aren't quests; missions in the log apparently aren't missions either; and players not SE determines what is what; and people use expressions incorrectly and it matters.