Large Hardon Collider

[Neosutra]

Pv=nRT is like 90% of Chem in a nutshell.

[Flarega]

good amount of thermo too.

[Kaylia]

Pv=nRT is like 90% of Chem in a nutshell.

When it's not, chemist call it physics

[Max™]

No, actually I'm just relating to you that if the ship end of the wormhole is in the ship's reference frame, it will experience the same time dilation.

But I'm tired of arguing about it, so have fun with that theory.

End A ---- End B
Rest ---- Accelerated
T = 0 ---- T = 0
1 day ---- 1 subjective day (many days in rest frame)
1 year ---- 1 subjective year (many years in rest frame)
1000 years ---- 1000 subjective years (megayears in rest frame)

You're neglecting that the wormhole is defining a plane of simultaneity other than the expected rest frame definition.

1 Day at the rest end = much less than a subjective day at the accelerated end, using the rest frame to define simultaneous events.

That is correct, but the entire point of a wormhole would be to connect different events in spacetime.

The trajectory you're describing would not pass through the wormhole, this is where you are assuming I am missing something. You can try to pull the "you don't know what you're talking about, Max" card if you want, but you're still arguing the wrong point.

[Eliseos]

Happy Pi approximation day!

[Mizango]

Happy Pi approximation day!

Beat me to it!

[Max™]

3.14159265358979
3238462643383279
5028841971693993
7510582...

That irrational number song works great for memorizing digits.

[Neosutra]

End A ---- End B
Rest ---- Accelerated
T = 0 ---- T = 0
1 day ---- 1 subjective day (many days in rest frame)
1 year ---- 1 subjective year (many years in rest frame)
1000 years ---- 1000 subjective years (megayears in rest frame)

You're neglecting that the wormhole is defining a plane of simultaneity other than the expected rest frame definition.

1 Day at the rest end = much less than a subjective day at the accelerated end, using the rest frame to define simultaneous events.

That is correct, but the entire point of a wormhole would be to connect different events in spacetime.

The trajectory you're describing would not pass through the wormhole, this is where you are assuming I am missing something. You can try to pull the "you don't know what you're talking about, Max" card if you want, but you're still arguing the wrong point.

I'm not saying "you dont know what you're talking about", I'm saying you're wrong. Whether it is simply by your -continued- attempt to justify someone else's poorly thought out postulate, or just some odd thought that "maybe neo just doesnt get it, let me say the exact same thing 5 more times". Either way, it's not physically possible.

One end of a wormhole (even theoretical ones) cant exist in two seperate relativistic locations/speeds at the same time.

It just doesnt work that way. Not in science, not in theory, not even in star trek.

[Max™]

As I said, you're assuming it's connected to a point which it isn't, take it up with Kip, or Hawking, or any of the others who worked on it yet didn't notice this obvious error.


Again, in the Thorne model, the wormhole on the ship ages 1000 subjective years, it's clock would read 4951 AD when you brought it back next to the stationary wormhole at 5,000,000 AD. When you pass through the accelerated end, you wind up in 4951 AD, if you go through the stationary end in 4951 AD, you wind up in 5,000,000 AD.


Happy 22/7ths day!

[Mizango]

It just doesnt work that way. Not in science, not in theory, not even in star trek.

Spaceballs?

[Max™]

Spaceballs?

When will then be now?

[Mizango]

When will then be now?

Soon.

[Max™]

Soon.

How soon?

[Neosutra]

Again, in the Thorne model, the wormhole on the ship ages 1000 subjective years,

Correct.

it's clock would read 4951 AD when you brought it back next to the stationary wormhole at 5,000,000 AD.

Correct. The clock on the ship would have only aged 1000 years.

When you pass through the accelerated end, you wind up in 4951 AD,

Nope. The end of the wormhole on the ship is connected to the end on earth, which by the end of the ship's 1000 year journey, is located 5,000,000 years into the future, not 4951 AD.

if you go through the stationary end in 4951 AD, you wind up in 5,000,000 AD.

Nope. In 4951 AD on earth, if you went through the wormhole to get to the ship, the ship would only have been traveling for 14 years.

I dont care how many times you restate "but but it just works, look thorne said it works". Until you work out the relativistic equations to show it works (you know, the ones I worked out to show it doesnt), you're wrong. Just stop.

[Max™]

Look, I don't care how many times you work out relativistic equations which ignore the conditions of the hypothetical being discussed, you're neglecting that time connects differently through a wormhole so a clock carried by someone traversing it will agree with clocks on both ends. You're wrong, just stop.

[Eliseos]

Arguing about hypothetical objects that as of now don't exist.

[Neosutra]

"Look Neo, I dont care if you're talking about reality and using proven equations to show I'm wrong, I'm talking about a hypothetical situation that we have no evidence to suggest may be true, why cant you see that".

I'm quite aware you're talking about a hypothetical. Hypothetically speaking, you're postulate is just as likely as Harry Potter shitting the wormhole out, going back in time through it, and killing Gandolf from Lord of the Rings in an epic Digimon tournament.

Hypothetically speaking that is.

[Max™]

Yes yes, you're still arguing as though it was a fact, and using assumptions contrary to the ones in the hypothetical to claim impossibility of said hypothetical.

"It wouldn't work the way you said it does, because it doesn't work the way I said it does, and I did the math which wasn't related to the scenario to prove it!"

Anyways, the ICHEP 2010 started today, anyone seen any interesting news blurbs I've missed?

http://www.ichep2010.fr/
http://ichep2010.blogspot.com/

http://webcast.in2p3.fr/2010/ichep/index.php

[Mizango]

I'm quite aware you're talking about a hypothetical. Hypothetically speaking, you're postulate is just as likely as Harry Potter shitting the wormhole out, going back in time through it, and killing Gandolf from Lord of the Rings in an epic Digimon tournament.

Hypothetically speaking that is.

That mental picture is awesome haha.

[Eliseos]

Gandolf would definitely smash all over Harry Potter.