Large Hardon Collider

[Kaylia]

You're not looking far enough down the rabbit hole, my man.

There is no level below mathematics, just as there is no semblance of language below the symbols used to present it.


That reality in which pi is the relationship of a circles diameter to its circumference IS mathematics, you're looking at the right answer, but mistaking the numbers and symbols we use to relate mathematics to each other for the actual fundamental stuff which math really is.

And you're stuck in the rabbit hole, not being able to look outside at the reality. Enjoy your magical world, but sciences and maths doesn't allow you to say the these things. You're confusing your dream of grandeur about the universe with the almost boring reality of mathematics and sciences.

I don't care what you believe, but the way you speak about it is annoying and unscientific. I'm always down for a philosophical discussion, but let's call it philo, not "evidence".

No, all I am saying is what a circle is.

You can change that value by changing what that circle is placed against, but even then you can note that changing the boundary conditions produces the same results we observe here.

There is no other hypothetical reality which is so different that there is no way you could have some semblance of mathematical truths.

The very requirement of being observable already places certain restrictions on the types of Universes that one could be said to exist within.

String Landscape models reinforce this in an odd manner.

So, find me a fucking perfect circle in the nature. Find me a straigth line in the nature. Prove me that pi is indeed in the nature, and it's not simply a manifestation of our geometry.

Hell, prove me that if we could write a relational sentence using every entity in the universe, we would still need Pi and circle to explain it.

[Neosutra]

The universe is made of circles Kaylia! Geocentric model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All joking aside though, Circles and Straight lines are very much a real part of our universe. They are inherent shapes or properties that are apparent regardless of the frame, and most likely these properties exist across all universes.

These geometric relations exist in even the 1D field, so one would infer that they exist in all fields.

[Anomander]

Nice, when are the first interferometry based space telescopes supposed to be functional again?

2012 or 2014?

Cool, which program would that be?

I am actually working in an internship for Keck Observatory, which has two telescopes up on Mauna Kea in Hawaii. They actually have an interferometry lab, and I had the opportunity to go inside the lab and assist working on a device which was malfunctioning (I can't recall the name of it, but it was this big tube that cooled something to some ridiculously low temperatures). I guess since the Kecks were built separately they aren't actually considered interferometry based?

On another tangent, I had an opportunity to go listen in on a public hearing about the TMTs (thirty meter telescope) proposal. Its pretty mind blowing the detail adaptive optics will be able to achieve with that telescope.

[bigrougabagel]

The universe is made of circles Kaylia!

elipses?

[Eliseos]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/threesome.png

Awesome.

[Woozie]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/threesome.png

Awesome.

LOL!

[Mizango]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/threesome.png

Awesome.

Win! lol

[Kuya]

Sociology as applied psychology. LOL. I'm guessing that was made by someone from the natural sciences.

[Cochise]

LHC delayed again due to vacuum leaks - Ars Technica

[Eliseos]

[Woozie]

This is all Mizango's fault.

[Mizango]

Well it's only a month, so not too bad. People forget that this shit has a circumference roughly 17 miles. Something the size of a pin hole can cause an issue, not worried at all though.

It's in good hands at CERN.

[Mizango]

This is all Mizango's fault.

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[Eliseos]

Going to laugh slightly if in that month Fermilab finds a Higgs.

[Mizango]

Going to laugh slightly if in that month Fermilab finds a Higgs.

Ill party like nobody's business lol.

[zoobernut]

Ill party like nobody's business lol.

The delay in the LHC is all your fault. You are a secret agent working for Fermilab!

[Seraph]

"We made it, they just found it after it slipped out of the vacuum leak is all."

[Mizango]

The delay in the LHC is all your fault. You are a secret agent working for Fermilab!

And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you pesky kids!

[Seraph]

They just need to slow down, and take their time. I want the black hole to be enormous.

[Mizango]

They just need to slow down, and take their time. I want the black hole to be enormous.

Go to Houston, their huge there.