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  1. 2011-01-11 19:16 #3961
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    That website doesn't cite a single source or even explain how they came to their conclusion.
  2. 2011-01-12 03:27 #3962
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    View the page source sometime.
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    I'd say the comedic value (as well as the cartesian proof that the act of observing the page requires an observer which requires the planet to have not been destroyed, you read it, therefore you am) justifies it as a valid source.
  3. 2011-01-12 07:52 #3963
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    Hmm, I guess you're right, this seems legit. My bad.
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    Hmmmmph another reason why I love playing my samurai.
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    Ok so I've basically been losing my mind trying to rap my head around the set notation definition of an ordered pair. I'm considering taking Mathematical Logic next semester so I've just been looking over some of the professor's notes and came across the definition <x,y> = {{x}, {x,y}}. For some reason I just can not understand this definition. I get the proof behind <x,y>=<u,v> iff x=u and y=v, but for some reason I just can't see why the formal definition is true. What part of the set {{x},{x,y}} allows us to decide that we must put x in the first coordinate of our ordered pair? If some one could really dumb this down and it explain to me I would really appreciate it considering I've been obsessing over it the past hour or two haha.
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    If you reversed the pair <x,y> = {{x},{x,y}} it would be {{y},{x,y}}, if that helps?
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    Haha thanks for trying, but not really. I understand that <y,x> = {{y},{x,y}} but I don't understand what makes you decide that y needs to be the first coordinate in the ordered pair from our defined set. Most people either say "it's just because that's the way it's defined" which is terrible or "well if you look at the set you see that the set with one element is {y} so that must be in the first coordinate and then you move onto {x,y} it has two elements so x must be in the second coordinate." However this seems like there are so many jumps in logic that it's not even explaining why the ordered pair is defined the way it is, it just seems like people are following a pattern and deciding it is logic.
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    I dunno, blame it on some old dead euro-fucker who decided it should be that way.

    http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ep239499/...ematicians.jpg

    The blame probably rests at (4, 2).
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    I dunno max, (1, 3) seems a lil shifty to me.
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    Not having cable has kept me out of the loop with new awesome science specials. Last I caught on TV or DL'd were Into the Solar System, Bad Universe, and Morgan freeman's crap. Anything good out since then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SathFenrir View Post
    Not having cable has kept me out of the loop with new awesome science specials. Last I caught on TV or DL'd were Into the Solar System, Bad Universe, and Morgan freeman's crap. Anything good out since then?
    Anywhere I can watch this crap online? My normal entertainment sources don't carry these types of things
  12. 2011-01-13 21:50 #3972
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    I just torrent all of it. I don't know anywhere that streams it since most of it is BBC stuff and the BBC doesn't like to share with us dirty Americans.
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    Stumbled upon BBC 6 EP series called "The Story of Science".

    Repeats a lot of well-known information but it's pretty good. I'd look into torrenting it if anyone is looking for something to watch.
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    Aik finally got me into torrenting, so I'll get right on that
  16. 2011-01-17 15:41 #3976
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    Unlikely, but still interesting:

    Scorn over claim of teleported DNA

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    A Nobel prizewinner is reporting that DNA can be generated from its teleported "quantum imprint"

    A STORM of scepticism has greeted experimental results emerging from the lab of a Nobel laureate which, if confirmed, would shake the foundations of several fields of science. "If the results are correct," says theoretical chemist Jeff Reimers of the University of Sydney, Australia, "these would be the most significant experiments performed in the past 90 years, demanding re-evaluation of the whole conceptual framework of modern chemistry."

    Luc Montagnier, who shared the Nobel prize for medicine in 2008 for his part in establishing that HIV causes AIDS, says he has evidence that DNA can send spooky electromagnetic imprints of itself into distant cells and fluids. If that wasn't heretical enough, he also suggests that enzymes can mistake the ghostly imprints for real DNA, and faithfully copy them to produce the real thing. In effect this would amount to a kind of quantum teleportationMovie Camera of the DNA.

    Many researchers contacted for comment by New Scientist reacted with disbelief. Gary Schuster, who studies DNA conductance effects at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, compared it to "pathological science". Jacqueline Barton, who does similar work at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, was equally sceptical. "There aren't a lot of data given, and I don't buy the explanation," she says. One blogger has suggested Montagnier should be awarded an IgNobel prize.

    Yet the results can't be dismissed out of hand. "The experimental methods used appear comprehensive," says Reimers. So what have Montagnier and his team actually found?

    Full details of the experiments are not yet available, but the basic set-up is as follows. Two adjacent but physically separate test tubes were placed within a copper coil and subjected to a very weak extremely low frequency electromagnetic field of 7 hertz. The apparatus was isolated from Earth's natural magnetic field to stop it interfering with the experiment. One tube contained a fragment of DNA around 100 bases long; the second tube contained pure water.

    After 16 to 18 hours, both samples were independently subjected to the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a method routinely used to amplify traces of DNA by using enzymes to make many copies of the original material. The gene fragment was apparently recovered from both tubes, even though one should have contained just water (see diagram).

    DNA was only recovered if the original solution of DNA - whose concentration has not been revealed - had been subjected to several dilution cycles before being placed in the magnetic field. In each cycle it was diluted 10-fold, and "ghost" DNA was only recovered after between seven and 12 dilutions of the original. It was not found at the ultra-high dilutions used in homeopathy.

    Physicists in Montagnier's team suggest that DNA emits low-frequency electromagnetic waves which imprint the structure of the molecule onto the water. This structure, they claim, is preserved and amplified through quantum coherence effects, and because it mimics the shape of the original DNA, the enzymes in the PCR process mistake it for DNA itself, and somehow use it as a template to make DNA matching that which "sent" the signal (arxiv.org/abs/1012.5166).

    "The biological experiments do seem intriguing, and I wouldn't dismiss them," says Greg Scholes of the University of Toronto in Canada, who last year demonstrated that quantum effects occur in plants. Yet according to Klaus Gerwert, who studies interactions between water and biomolecules at the Ruhr University in Bochum, Germany, "It is hard to understand how the information can be stored within water over a timescale longer than picoseconds."
    It is hard to understand how the information can be stored in water for more than picoseconds

    "The structure would be destroyed instantly," agrees Felix Franks, a retired academic chemist in London who has studied water for many years. Franks was involved as a peer reviewer in the debunking of a controversial study in 1988 which claimed that water had a memory (see "How 'ghost molecules' were exorcised"). "Water has no 'memory'," he says now. "You can't make an imprint in it and recover it later."

    Despite the scepticism over Montagnier's explanation, the consensus was that the results deserve to be investigated further. Montagnier's colleague, theoretical physicist Giuseppe Vitiello of the University of Salerno in Italy, is confident that the result is reliable. "I would exclude that it's contamination," he says. "It's very important that other groups repeat it."

    In a paper last year (Interdisciplinary Sciences: Computational Life Sciences, DOI: 10.1007/s12539-009-0036-7), Montagnier described how he discovered the apparent ability of DNA fragments and entire bacteria both to produce weak electromagnetic fields and to "regenerate" themselves in previously uninfected cells. Montagnier strained a solution of the bacterium Mycoplasma pirum through a filter with pores small enough to prevent the bacteria penetrating. The filtered water emitted the same frequency of electromagnetic signal as the bacteria themselves. He says he has evidence that many species of bacteria and many viruses give out the electromagnetic signals, as do some diseased human cells.

    Montagnier says that the full details of his latest experiments will not be disclosed until the paper is accepted for publication. "Surely you are aware that investigators do not reveal the detailed content of their experimental work before its first appearance in peer-reviewed journals," he says.


    How 'ghost molecules' were exorcised

    The latest findings by Luc Montagnier evoke long-discredited work by the French researcher Jacques Benveniste. In a paper in Nature (vol 333, p 816) in 1988 he claimed to show that water had a "memory", and that the activity of human antibodies was retained in solutions so dilute that they couldn't possibly contain any antibody molecules (New Scientist, 14 July 1988, p 39).

    Faced with widespread scepticism over the paper, including from the chemist Felix Franks who had advised against publication, Nature recruited magician James Randi and chemist and "fraudbuster" Walter Stewart of the US National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, to investigate Benveniste's methods. They found his result to be "a delusion", based on a flawed design. In 1991, Benveniste repeated his experiment under double-blind conditions, but not to the satisfaction of referees at Nature and Science. Two years later came the final indignity when he was suspended for damaging the image of his institute. He died in October 2004.

    That's not to say that quantum effects must be absent from biological systems. Quantum effects have been proposed in both plants and birds. Montagnier and his colleagues are hoping that their paper won't suffer the same fate as Benveniste's.


    http://www.newscientist.com/article/...rted-dna.html?
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    Wait... wouldn't that like, generate fusion reactions?

    Oh, nevermind, they're barking up the "water has memory" tree again?
  18. 2011-01-18 19:44 #3978
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    So I guess they're shutting down afterall

    Recalling a Fallen Star’s Legacy in High-Energy Particle Physics

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    The machine known as the Tevatron is four miles around. Bison graze nearby on the 6,800 acres of former farmland occupied by the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Ill. Occasionally, physicists run races around the top of it.
    It was turned on in 1983 to the sound of protesters who worried that its high-energy collisions between protons and antiprotons could bring about the end of the world or perhaps the whole universe.

    For the next three decades it reigned as a symbol of human curiosity and of American technological might, becoming the biggest, grandest, most violent physics experiment of its time, devouring a small city’s worth of electricity to collide subatomic particles with energies of up to a trillion electron volts apiece in an effort to retrieve forces and laws that prevailed during the Big Bang.

    The world as a whole never did end, but for American physicists a small piece of it has now. Last Monday the Department of Energy, which runs Fermilab, as it is known, announced that despite last-minute appeals by physicists, the Tevatron will shut down as scheduled in September.

    The news disappointed American physicists who had hoped that three more years of running might give them a glimpse of as yet unobserved phenomena like the Higgs boson, a storied particle said to imbue other particles with mass.

    “It’s a shame to shut it down,” said Lisa Randall, a Harvard physicist, who says she thinks the physics community gave up too easily. Dr. Randall organized a bunch of some 40 theorists to write a letter to the Department of Energy last summer urging them to keep the machine running. A message on her new Twitter account last week broke the news of the decision to shut down the Tevatron.

    That leaves the field of future discovery free for the Large Hadron Collider, which started up a year ago outside Geneva at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, and is now the world champion. The collider is 17 miles around and capable eventually, CERN says, of producing 7 trillion-electron-volt protons. Hobbled with bad electrical connections, it ran at half that energy in 2010.

    “How are we going to feel if they find it at the LHC?” Dr. Randall said. “The Tevatron had the capacity to give us complementary information.”

    This moment has been coming ever since 1993, when Congress canceled the Superconducting Supercollider, a physics machine in Texas that would have been the biggest, most powerful machine on the planet. CERN’s collider is expected to dominate physics for the next 20 years.

    The impending death of the Tevatron adds to a gloomy time for American science, coming as it does just as NASA has announced that its flagship project, the James Webb Space Telescope, is $1.6 billion over budget and will be years late, knocking the pins out from under hopes of mounting a mission anytime soon to investigate the dark energy that is boosting the expansion of the universe.

    Michael Turner, a cosmologist at the University of Chicago and vice president of the American Physical Society, said American scientists were struggling to adjust to a world in which Europe and Asia are attaining parity with the United States. “We are used to dominating in science,” Dr. Turner said. “We seem to be unable to make decisions, and instead continue to chase every opportunity, in the end doing nothing.”

    For the last year the Tevatron and the CERN collider have been engaged in a race to discover, among other things, the Higgs. By all accounts the Tevatron, with a 20-year head start, was ahead. Moreover, CERN had been scheduled to shut down for a year in 2012 to fix their machine and bring it up to par. In response to the prospect of the Tevatron extending its run, CERN had been talking recently about postponing its own shutdown for a year.

    But the squeeze is on science budgets, and the continuation of the Tevatron was not to be. “Unfortunately the current budgetary climate is very challenging and additional funding has not been identified,” William Brinkman, director of the office of science at the Department of Energy, said in a letter to the High Energy Physics Advisory Panel on Jan. 6.

    The Tevatron will be remembered scientifically for the discovery of the top quark, the last missing part of the ensemble that makes up ordinary matter, in 1995, and a host of other intriguing results like the controversial discovery last summer of a particle that goes back and forth between being itself and its evil-twin antiparticle a little faster in one direction than the other, providing a possible clue to why the universe is now made of matter and not antimatter.

    Physicists will be analyzing and studying the data from its two big detectors, DZero and the Collider Detector at Fermilab, CDF, for years.

    It will also be remembered as a fount of technological development whose influence spread far beyond high-energy physics. The development, in partnership with industry, of superconducting magnets for Fermilab’s machine, said Young-Kee Kim, deputy director of the lab, helped pave the way for cheap M.R.I. machines for hospitals.

    Although it is the end for the Tevatron, it is not the end for Fermilab, which helped build the Large Hadron Collider and which hosts a control room for one of that accelerator’s gigantic particle detectors, and is also home to a thriving cosmology program. The lab has bet its long-term future on a new-generation accelerator program called Project X which would produce intense proton beams for producing and scrutinizing other particles like neutrinos.

    Robert Roser, a Fermilab physicist, said, “I always knew it would be a long shot to run three additional years.” He credited the competition with Fermilab with spurring on the Europeans.

    “I believe they made machine progress more rapidly than they would have had we not been part of the landscape in the coming years,” Dr. Roser wrote in an e-mail message. He and others pointed out that the machines were complementary — the Tevatron collides protons and their opposites, antiprotrons, while the CERN collider bangs together protons and thus produces slightly different fireballs with different mixtures of particles and radiation coming out of them. Without the Tevatron’s data, Dr. Roser said, it would take the CERN longer to confirm the Higgs when and if they finally find it.

    Physicists are trained to be unsentimental about facts, theories and machines, but the rest of us are not obliged to be so unsentimental about the Tevatron and what it meant for American science. Robert Wilson, Fermilab’s founding director, was an artist as well as physicist, and he took pains to ensure that the lab’s physical presence was as elegant as the ideas it was built to explore. The Tevatron was buried underground, to shield the world from the radiation of its beams, but Dr. Wilson had a circular berm built over it, so that the ring would be visible. From high in the sky the berm and the roads that circle it make a pattern that might intrigue an alien civilization that had sufficiently acute vision and lure them in.

    Some day alien archaeologists could excavate the tunnel in which giant machines replayed the Big Bang and wonder what happened to the people who built it, and what they thought about their place in the universe.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/sc...ider.html?_r=2

    RIP, Fermilab
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woozie View Post
    Unlikely, but still interesting:
    Too awesome to be true!


    I really don't see how it could works, it seem to goes against common sense.
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