Large Hardon Collider

[Kaylia]

Maybe I'm just sleep deprived after 36 hours but...what???

Violation of causality would violate entropy, and pretty much everything else in the process.


And shit, explain me how laws of physics are time reversible, but causality is not. If taking one step back in time then one step up doesn't bring you back to the exact same place, you just broke every rules.

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Sure, you can shit up an explanation about parallel universe branching off, but that's ridiculous. You can always get your paradox.

[Mizango]

Violation of causality would violate entropy, and pretty much everything else in the process.

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[Kaylia]

My bad, Kaylia, I didn't even notice the part about sending messages into the past. That actually is a violation of the laws of physics and has every paradox associated with time travel. Information/messages can't go faster than light or backwards in time. Somehow I didn't even see that part.

I just thought it was funny how string theoriest always spice up their discovery with bad science-fiction (or maybe he got misquoted, wouldnt surprised me either)

[Woozie]

The only bigger waste of time than arguing with Psion about telepathy in a science thread is arguing with Max about science in any thread. It would make more sense to just put a disclaimer at the top of each page telling any readers who don't know any better to ignore anything Max says about science.

[Woozie]

And shit, explain me how laws of physics are time reversible, but causality is not. If taking one step back in time then one step up doesn't bring you back to the exact same place, you just broke every rules.

I can't tell if this is aimed at me or at Max, so I'm going to just respond by clarifying what my point was.

I'm not sure what Max meant because his posts are mostly gibberish because he's trying to sound smart when he really has no clue what he's talking about. I think Max is referring to the fact that if you replace "t" with "-t" in pretty much every physical law other than entropy, the physics work out the same. The fact that this doesn't work for entropy is one of the main reasons you can't really treat going backwards in time identically to going forward. I think Max is trying to say that because going backwards works the same as going forward in almost all cases, sending information backwards in time isn't any different than sending it forward in time. I'm merely pointing out that for reasons related to entropy and time paradoxes, there is a huge difference between sending information backwards in time and sending it forward despite the reversibility of every other physical law. The reversibility of physical laws doesn't take into account paradoxes or entropy.

I didn't go into detail because if Max actually studied physics he wouldn't have needed any of this explained (and also because I realize it's pointless to argue with Max, so I'd rather just point out that he's wrong and leave it at that. I do that for the sake of anyone reading this thread who may come to believe the false information Max posts in this thread. Honestly, that's what bothers me most about Max. The fact that people reading this doesn't know that he's full of crap and may end up with misconceptions about physics).

[Kaylia]

And don't get me wrong, I'm all for time travel. It would definitively get my votes if we had to pass a new physics laws. Well, unless it's against faster than light travel

The only bigger waste of time than arguing with Psion about telepathy in a science thread is arguing with Max about science in any thread. It would make more sense to just put a disclaimer at the top of each page telling any readers who don't know any better to ignore anything Max says about science.

I've never seen you say anything bad about anyone lol.

[Eliseos]

This can always be solved with a simple "Shut the fuck up, Max."

[Kaylia]

I can't tell if this is aimed at me or at Max, so I'm going to just respond by clarifying what my point was.

I'm not sure what Max meant because his posts are mostly gibberish because he's trying to sound smart when he really has no clue what he's talking about. I think Max is referring to the fact that if you replace "t" with "-t" in pretty much every physical law other than entropy, the physics work out the same. The fact that this doesn't work for entropy is one of the main reasons you can't really treat going backwards in time identically to going forward. I think Max is trying to say that because going backwards works the same as going forward in almost all cases, sending information backwards in time isn't any different than sending it forward in time. I'm merely pointing out that for reasons related to entropy and time paradoxes, there is a huge difference between sending information backwards in time and sending it forward despite the reversibility of every other physical law. The reversibility of physical laws doesn't take into account paradoxes or entropy.

I didn't go into detail because if Max actually studied physics he wouldn't have needed any of this explained (and also because I realize it's pointless to argue with Max, so I'd rather just point out that he's wrong and leave it at that. I do that for the sake of anyone reading this thread who may come to believe the false information Max posts in this thread).

It was directed at Max, sorry. You ninja'd your way inbetween replies.

[Woozie]

I've never seen you say anything bad about anyone lol.

That goes to show how bothersome Max really is.

(And for the record, my comment wasn't meant to insult Psion in anyways, just to point out that the telepathy debates did get out of hand and some points).

[Lhyet]

I think anyone who actively reads this thread knows to take whatever Max says with several pinches of salt.

Am I right in assuming that moving back in time violates entropy because it's impossible to move from a higher state of entropy into a lower state? It can only move one way?

[Max™]

You know, if you had actually been studying physics these past few years instead of just pretending to, you wouldn't be nearly as annoying (and consistently wrong) as you are now.

I'm sorry, I can't read this because the distance it was crossing was length contracted or whatever it was you were claiming happened.

My studies are doing fine, for the record, but I would love to know how someone who supposedly understands the mathematics of quantum mechanics has managed to overlook the T part of CPT symmetry?


No, btw, the overall entropy of a closed system can not decrease, but you can have local decreases of entropy, when considering portions of a system. If you clean up your desk, you reduced the entropy of your desk, but as a whole the heat energy in the air, the chemical energy you burned moving, and whatnot, that all adds up to an increase of entropy.

Or so I've heard...


Again, I'm not saying anything radical here, it's actually quite possible to treat antiparticles as ordinary matter moving backwards in time, it makes sense to do that as well, and produces useful checks for the spin-coupling theorem regarding fermion and boson behavior. Richard Feynman all up in this bitch.

The problems with the article are numerous, shit like "a small cadre of theoretical physicists" regarding the string theory crowd?

Compared to that, the idea of sterile neutrinos moving the wrong way in time are pretty trivial, but you should know that already.

If you can explain how to produce an overall decrease of entropy with a couple of nearly massless particles that you can just write off as mislabeled antiparticles, I'd like to see it.


As for other people reading the thread, I don't give a damn, I just couldn't help but poke at Woozie again because he's been bitchy with me ever since I pointed out he was totally fucking up relativistic time dilation/length contraction in his hypothetical trip to Betelgeuse.

[Eliseos]

Shut the fuck up, Max.

[Max™]

Eat a sack of baby dicks, sweety-pie Eli.

[Kuya]

I can't tell if this is aimed at me or at Max, so I'm going to just respond by clarifying what my point was.

I'm not sure what Max meant because his posts are mostly gibberish because he's trying to sound smart when he really has no clue what he's talking about. I think Max is referring to the fact that if you replace "t" with "-t" in pretty much every physical law other than entropy, the physics work out the same. The fact that this doesn't work for entropy is one of the main reasons you can't really treat going backwards in time identically to going forward. I think Max is trying to say that because going backwards works the same as going forward in almost all cases, sending information backwards in time isn't any different than sending it forward in time. I'm merely pointing out that for reasons related to entropy and time paradoxes, there is a huge difference between sending information backwards in time and sending it forward despite the reversibility of every other physical law. The reversibility of physical laws doesn't take into account paradoxes or entropy.

I didn't go into detail because if Max actually studied physics he wouldn't have needed any of this explained (and also because I realize it's pointless to argue with Max, so I'd rather just point out that he's wrong and leave it at that. I do that for the sake of anyone reading this thread who may come to believe the false information Max posts in this thread. Honestly, that's what bothers me most about Max. The fact that people reading this doesn't know that he's full of crap and may end up with misconceptions about physics).

That's not really a problem since i can't really understand what he's saying.

[Max™]

The funny part is, neither can I.


What I wonder is, if a particle moving backwards in time is indistinguishable from it's own antiparticle moving forwards in time, wouldn't you wind up with the whole attempt to signal into the past blowing up in a spray of gamma radiation? If so, how exactly does that increase the entropy, out of curiosity?

[Abandon]

The funny part is, neither can I.

i never read this thread because numbers, black holes and whatnot are scary; however, this is the funniest shit ever. If you don't know what you're saying, take a hint from me and gtfo

[Abandon]

i love DP; don't you?

[Shiroikage]

Kindly fuck yourself, Max.

[Abandon]

haha

[Max™]

Wow, not sure if serious, Abandon?

I mean... damn, Shiro, when your opinion is needed you'll receive a notification in the mail.