Large Hardon Collider

[Shiroikage]

I will be your end.

[Woozie]

Wow, not sure if serious, Abandon?

I mean... damn, Shiro, when your opinion is needed you'll receive a notification in the mail.

He makes a good point. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, which is a very good reason to just shut up. Kuya makes a good point too. Since everything you spout is gibberish, I really don't have to worry about people getting false information from you since no one can interpret the bull crap you type.

[Woozie]

I mean... damn, Shiro, when your opinion is needed you'll receive a notification in the mail.

When your opinion is needed, we'll find it on wikipedia ourselves.

[Max™]

Well played, so how bout that length contraction?

[Woozie]

You mean the thing we argued about for days that you could have just went to the library and figured out on your own over a single weekend? The same thing you'd be very familiar with if you were anywhere near as advanced as you claim to be in physics? The fact that there was any debate over that proves you're clueless on even the lowest levels of physics and math (as if we didn't already know). Even then, you could have learned it on your own in just a few days (since it only requires a basic understanding of high school algebra), so it also shows that you're unwilling to even educate yourself on the subject you claim to love so much.

[Lhyet]

When your opinion is needed, we'll find it on wikipedia ourselves.

Brilliant.

[Cadsuane]

Max is actually Gary Zukav. Or at least a huge fan.

[Rhinox]

You guys are gonna regret making fun of max when we mining Astroids and living in space colonies like in Deep space Nine.

[Max™]

You mean the thing we argued about for days that you could have just went to the library and figured out on your own over a single weekend? The same thing you'd be very familiar with if you were anywhere near as advanced as you claim to be in physics? The fact that there was any debate over that proves you're clueless on even the lowest levels of physics and math (as if we didn't already know). Even then, you could have learned it on your own in just a few days (since it only requires a basic understanding of high school algebra), so it also shows that you're unwilling to even educate yourself on the subject you claim to love so much.

No, I mean the thing where you completely fucked up the interpretation of lorentz contraction in a way which obviously contradicts the idea of a conserved spacetime interval, saying that the actual distance is shortened, which is obviously incorrect.

It could be possible that someone with no clue about relativistic effects would think that, and naturally seeing the universe compressed into a starbow would be confusing as hell. The idea that it wasn't a result of your observations being distorted, but that the universe is actually being distorted by your motion. Well... as I said, I couldn't imagine why someone would describe it the way you did.

[Eliseos]

God damn it stop bringing up old, tired arguments Max. No one fucking cares, you were wrong the first time, you're wrong now. Stop fucking posting.

[Eliseos]

Have some news you fucking fucks:

ScienceDaily (Mar. 18, 2011) — NASA's MESSENGER spacecraft successfully achieved orbit around Mercury at approximately 9 p.m. EDT Thursday. This marks the first time a spacecraft has accomplished this engineering and scientific milestone at our solar system's innermost planet.


"This mission will continue to revolutionize our understanding of Mercury during the coming year," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, who was at MESSENGER mission control at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md., as engineers received telemetry data confirming orbit insertion. "NASA science is rewriting text books. MESSENGER is a great example of how our scientists are innovating to push the envelope of human knowledge."


At 9:10 p.m. EDT, engineers Operations Center, received the anticipated radiometric signals confirming nominal burn shutdown and successful insertion of the MESSENGER probe into orbit around the planet Mercury. NASA's MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, Geochemistry, and Ranging, or MESSENGER, rotated back to Earth by 9:45 p.m. EDT, and started transmitting data. Upon review of the data, the engineering and operations teams confirmed the burn executed nominally with all subsystems reporting a clean burn and no logged errors.


MESSENGER's main thruster fired for approximately 15 minutes at 8:45 p.m., slowing the spacecraft by 1,929 miles per hour and easing it into the planned orbit about Mercury. The rendezvous took place about 96 million miles from Earth.


"Achieving Mercury orbit was by far the biggest milestone since MESSENGER was launched more than six and a half years ago," said Peter Bedini, MESSENGER project manager of the Applied Physics Laboratory (APL). "This accomplishment is the fruit of a tremendous amount of labor on the part of the navigation, guidance-and-control, and mission operations teams, who shepherded the spacecraft through its 4.9-billion-mile journey."


For the next several weeks, APL engineers will be focused on ensuring the spacecraft's systems are all working well in Mercury's harsh thermal environment. Starting on March 23, the instruments will be turned on and checked out, and on April 4 the mission's primary science phase will begin.


"Despite its proximity to Earth, the planet Mercury has for decades been comparatively unexplored," said Sean Solomon, MESSENGER principal investigator of the Carnegie Institution of Washington. "For the first time in history, a scientific observatory is in orbit about our solar system's innermost planet. Mercury's secrets, and the implications they hold for the formation and evolution of Earth-like planets, are about to be revealed."


APL designed and built the spacecraft. The lab manages and operates the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0317232139.htm

[Abandon]

God damn it stop bringing up old, tired arguments Max. No one fucking cares, you were wrong the first time, you're wrong now. Stop fucking posting.

goddayum, haha

[Max™]

God damn it stop bringing up old, tired arguments Max. No one fucking cares, you were wrong the first time, you're wrong now. Stop fucking posting.

No, what the fuck would you know anyways, aren't you an engineer? All you need to know about relativity is that it fucks up any hope of FTL spaceships.

I'm not wrong about this, that is the funny thing. All the bitching about me being ignorant of physics, and no one has recognized how fucking obviously wrong Woozie was about his explanation for time dilation. It doesn't take a shorter time because you only crossed a shorter length contracted distance, if shit worked like that we could be farting around the universe with ease. That's what gets me, I'm not capable of caring about anything as worthless as opinions, much less those of a bunch of geeks on a message board, no offense guys.

It just bothers me seeing people saying something as glaringly incorrect as that, it's like he was swearing that the sky is blue because air molecules are blue, rather than because of the properties of light being scattered in certain ways. The same with the idea that signaling into the past is impossible because of causality or entropy, while ignoring the causal descriptions of antiparticles moving into the past given by Feynman (and others).



In other news: woo hoo Mercury, I wonder if we can figure out what the fuck happened at Caloris.

[Kuya]

I'm not capable of caring about anything as worthless as opinions, much less those of a bunch of geeks on a message board, no offense guys

lol

[#686578]

i never read this thread because numbers, black holes and whatnot are scary

Woah man, what did I ever do to you?

[Abandon]

oh no, i didn't mean princess babycakes

[Abandon]

lol

^

[Cadsuane]

Someone link me to this disagreement between woozie and max. I think I know enough math now to figure this shit out.

[foopy]

When your opinion is needed, we'll find it on wikipedia ourselves.

i feel bad for max getting shit on, but this is fuckin hilarious.

[Max™]

Edit: don't feel bad, I mean, they are right in that I keep triggering these responses, I wouldn't do it if I was actually concerned about being told to fuck off, rather than being concerned when someone is wrong on the internet.

Don't need math, I checked yesterday to make sure I hadn't imagined what he said.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/858...=1#post3328206

Now let's look at it from my point of view. From my point of view, the distance from Earth to Betelgeuse isn't 640 light years anymore, due to length contraction. Depending on how fast I go, it can be as short as I want it to be. So let's say I'm traveling so fast that the distance between the Earth and Betelgeuse is only two light years. Then, at my speed, it will only take four years to get there and back. So since I was 22 when I left, I'll be 26 when I get back (though it will be year 3280 and the 1280 years will have passed for the people on Earth.

So yeah, the amount of time I age depends on how fast I go.

Nope, I wasn't imagining it, he really said time dilation happens because the distance between here and your destination is contracted at relativistic velocities, so it only takes the much shorter time you would normally require to cross that distance.

Let's ignore that if you were moving at .999~ c across a shortened two light year distance, you'd experience much less than two years because you'd still be experiencing time dilation, but really? No one noticed this? The whole time, not one of you went "huh, I thought length contraction was an effect on moving bodies where they become shorter along the direction of travel, causing a sphere for instance to be flattened into a squashed ovoid", ever?