Large Hardon Collider

[Max™]

The summarized version is kinda baffling though without understanding how I got from current physics to where my model stands.

*Space is composed of 1 Dimensional objects which possess a distinguishable identity.
*The three directions we observe emerge from the shape imposed by these threadlike structures and their relation to each other.
*Time is the direction which Space moves through.
*Bending and curving and folding Space through the direction of time corresponds to what we observe as energy and gravity.
*Folding Space into a knotted state produces a very energetic, localized, stable structure.
*These structures have certain possible stable forms, and those forms all correspond exactly to what we observe as particles.
*The stresses and distortions on the neighboring spacetime around the knots are related directly to the order and arrangement in which said knots are folded.
*Those effects correspond exactly to what we observe as the four forces.

There ya go, the tl;dr version.

The math which I've been working to describe for the above has already been found actually, by Schiller, showing that the gauge groups, the particle families, all of the known phenomena in the Universe can be produced from simple topological rules and 1 dimensional extended entities.

His strands possess non-local characteristics, and I'm still attempting to decipher the way in which he fit that into GR. I do know he specifies that they are unobservable except at crossings, which are identified as events.

My threads possess no non-local behavior, they are not unobservable, and have a more defined arrangement. This would seem troublesome except the way that Time fits into that shape, any change in that shape is one through the direction of time.

The manner in which the aforementioned knots are folded is related to the specific "arrow" of time in a way which carries interactions along one direction, and back to the "now" point. The number of loops and their arrangement along either direction is actually where our apparent motion through time emerges, we're built of future facing loops mostly (positively charged protons), balanced by the past facing loops of their electron shells.

There is much more depth of course, but I'll take a break here.

[Max™]

Tell me about it Miz, that whole mass of posts up at the top is all one train of thought basically.

[Eliseos]

"I think the weirdness and quirky not predicted behavior seen with quantum mechanics can be explained by feedback from the future in my space-time equations."

Wouldn't that have explained your entire posts easily, Max?

This actually made a lot more sense once I read it with this in mind, especially your jump rope analogy. I see a lot of similarities with string theory (and I believe you one of the opponents of string theory around here), specifically

*Space is composed of 1 Dimensional objects which possess a distinguishable identity.
*The three directions we observe emerge from the shape imposed by these threadlike structures and their relation to each other.
*Time is the direction which Space moves through.
*Bending and curving and folding Space through the direction of time corresponds to what we observe as energy and gravity.
*Folding Space into a knotted state produces a very energetic, localized, stable structure.
*These structures have certain possible stable forms, and those forms all correspond exactly to what we observe as particles.
*The stresses and distortions on the neighboring spacetime around the knots are related directly to the order and arrangement in which said knots are folded.
*Those effects correspond exactly to what we observe as the four forces.

The last bolded part I think would have to be a part of any GUT though, since that's pretty much it's goal. Am I far off with this comparison to string theory?

[Max™]

String Theory has some great ideas, but here's the key difference.

Picture a mesh of gridlines filling the room you're sitting in.


Running up/down, left/right, and forwards/backwards.


Keep filling in more grid lines in that pattern, make the mesh more and more dense.

Eventually you will get to a point where you can no longer see the area between the mesh itself.

At the smallest scales, each intersection of the lines is no less than a planck length away from it's neighboring intersections.

This mesh extends beyond the room, the earth, all the way to the edge of the Universe.

This mesh, this dense black thing I've been having you picture, is space, and the gridlines are those 1 dimensional threads I was referring to.

It is possible that there is only 1~3 total threads, and that they wrap around at the edge of the Universe, it's not too difficult to represent the manner mathematically.

I suspect they are actually loops, and appear roughly straight in our locally flat region of spacetime due to the scales involved, and the manner in which the Universe is unfolding.

That flatness would have led to an increase in the resistance of the Universe to continuing the expansion eventually, but I had another shocking thing emerge when working this out.


If you cut holes in that mesh, the topological rules defining their relationships would cause the ends cut loose to recoil slightly, representing the missing portion by the surface area of the terminus, and not it's mass any longer.

Then I realized that should be what a black hole is, and that it would enable the unfolding to continue without slowing, and indeed after a critical number of holes are produced, accelerate.

Just as we notice the Universe around us doing... crazy huh.

[Max™]

Also note, the knotted sections remain connected to the overall structure.

You are not only embedded within spacetime, you are woven from it.

They aren't separate particles as String Theory suggests.

The divisible behavior of quantum mechanics is a result of the grid structure itself, and the stepping effect it induces on energy transitions and such, not a deep underlying truth saying reality is made of tiny little point like particles.

[Max™]

Regarding your specific use of the phrase "feedback from the future", Seraph.

As an aside, I often forget people aren't so familiar with the principles and such of quantum theory and relativity. I can't really remember a time when I wasn't studying this subject, so it's easy to forget others weren't doing the same all their lives. Do pardon if I am a little obtuse on some things.


So yeah, I decided I would make a little play on the name Einstein used for his paper on Special Relativity, "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies", and wrote a more layman friendly paper called "On the Temporal Interaction of Quantum Bodies".

That's a key term, interaction, not feedback alone, it isn't just that the future is influencing the past, and vice versa for these objects.

It is that from our perspective, what we would label as periods in the past and future from any given Now, a quantum scale body would simply have a broader Now, before it applied the past and future division.

Just as non-local effects are presumed to be instantaneous across nonzero distances, these interactions are simultaneous across nonzero durations.

[Eliseos]

This isn't really related to the topic much, but I found this news article to be very exciting Magnetic Monopoles Detected In A Real Magnet For The First Time

I'm hoping they can show it at progressively higher temperatures (much like has been done with superconductors). Perhaps Gauss' Law for Magnetism will have to be rewritten if they can actually create a monopole.

Back on topic, I think I understand what you're getting at, Max. We (and all forms of matter) are just made up of these knots of spacetime? And these strands are where these strands cross?

A couple more questions then if I'm thinking about this correctly. What are the strands connected to (basically, is it a closed universe model, or is there an edge of the universe, and if so, what are strands tied to). I only saw mention of three spatial dimensions plus a time dimension, is that all there is in your model? (I'm hoping so, because every time I read about string theory's 10 or m-theory's 11 dimensions, I feel it's just contrived to force the math to work better, instead of the math flowing naturally to fit the observations). Are quantum fluctuations in your model due to these strands being "plucked" so to speak?

[Woozie]

This isn't really related to the topic much, but I found this news article to be very exciting Magnetic Monopoles Detected In A Real Magnet For The First Time

HO-LY-CRAP!

This is huge. Why haven't I heard about this!?

Edit: Oh, it just happened yesterday. Thank God I didn't get Maxwell's equations tatoo'd on me like I've always wanted to do. I guess I would have had to draw a line or an "x" through Gauss' Law for Magnetism lol. To be honest, the reason I never got the tattoo in the first place is because I knew this would happen someday during my lifetime.

Edit2: http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...opole-spin-ice

Edit 3:
Hmm, after reading, this isn't quite what I thought it was...but still extremely interesting. I need to show this to my professor to see how this is any different than some of the other experiments that gives the appearance of monopoles. He's really into solid state physics and this seems similar to some experiments he's explained to me before.

[Mizango]

Wow no kidding.

[Seraph]

Regarding your specific use of the phrase "feedback from the future", Seraph.

In your space-time, sending feedback towards your feedback.

But yeah, I glanced over what you wrote. I am by no means a specialist in the field, but it seemed like alot of it was going over peoples heads, given the lack of response. Just trying to engage in conversation is all.

Also, the monopolar experiment seems very cool. I remember reading about 10 years ago how they were trying to manipulate magnetic fields at ultra-low temperatures. Glad they are making progress in that department.

[Max™]

This isn't really related to the topic much, but I found this news article to be very exciting Magnetic Monopoles Detected In A Real Magnet For The First Time

I'm hoping they can show it at progressively higher temperatures (much like has been done with superconductors). Perhaps Gauss' Law for Magnetism will have to be rewritten if they can actually create a monopole.

Interesting, not a natural monopole of the type Dirac originally proposed, but nonetheless quite a development.

Back on topic, I think I understand what you're getting at, Max. We (and all forms of matter) are just made up of these knots of spacetime? And these strands are where these strands cross?

A couple more questions then if I'm thinking about this correctly. What are the strands connected to (basically, is it a closed universe model, or is there an edge of the universe, and if so, what are strands tied to). I only saw mention of three spatial dimensions plus a time dimension, is that all there is in your model? (I'm hoping so, because every time I read about string theory's 10 or m-theory's 11 dimensions, I feel it's just contrived to force the math to work better, instead of the math flowing naturally to fit the observations). Are quantum fluctuations in your model due to these strands being "plucked" so to speak?

Good questions.


The knots are where the threads/strands/lines/dimensions/etc have been curved so severely that they wrap back around themselves and their neighbors.

All the intersecting threads are distorted as well, and as the particle moves about, it propagates in a manner much like that belt loop thought experiment I described earlier.

As the threads possess no other real existence other than being measurable along their length as a distance, one could simply think of them as being distance.

A knot contains a greater distance within it's structure than the locally flat spacetime would, the general shape of the region around it is distorted according to the distance knotted up in the particle.

Knots follow smooth paths as they propagate, but when they propagate through the region near other knots, those smooth paths are curved by the "missing" distance in the other bodies.

As well, the region around the moving knot is curved and distorted inwards, and this increases the deflection from what would have been a smooth path.

As the objects get closer, the distorted region around the moving knot gets pushed deeper into the distorted region of the other ones, and the path deflection accelerates as the distance between them decreases. Just as Newton observed.

[Max™]

As for what they are connected too, as I mentioned, it is possible that each thread is a loop which extends to the edge of the Universe and runs around that horizon.

Caution: extremely theoretical conclusions which I've reached while considering the implications of the threaded spacetime model.

Spoiler: show

However, if you consider what happens when you accumulate enough knots into a small enough region to emulate a black hole, the only conclusion I produce is that the uh... resiliency to being stretched of the threads hits a maximum point, any attempt to go beyond this simply causes a disconnection, a tear. An edge.

The portion outside of the tear seeks a flat state, and pulls back from the shape at which the tear happened somewhat, only it cannot assume the original flat relationship, as there is a missing section from the mesh. So you get a region which can have topological distortions propagate into it, energy and matter, but which can not feed influences back out into the mesh.

When a ripple reaches the loose end of a jump rope, does it ever travel back up from the loose end?

An event horizon is the shape left by the torn threads. Any bit of the threads which winds up being pushed inwards beyond that point winds up reaching that shearing point, and then when it is severed the thread it left behind is that much shorter.


The interior is in a state where there is a confined amount of order locked within it's structure from the collapse which produced the hole, it is in an extremely curved state, and thus is very energetic.

As it is not able to freely seek a flat state due to the confinement from the torn edges of the parent threads being unable to be smoothly re-associated with the torn edges contained within, it is unable to self interact broadly in a temporal manner.

There is no way to have any sort of time of any significant amount, perhaps brief mini-histories on the order of handfuls of planck times as it seeks an equilibrium within it's prison, with each bit of structure that passes the horizon triggering another brief history as it adjusts to a new state incorporating the arrival.


Going back to the exterior threadset (universe), as I noted, each time something passes into a hole, the threads are left shorter, flatter.

While a set without holes could reach a smooth state and slow to a halt, perhaps even rebounding inwards, one with holes is unable to do this.

A set with holes is constantly adjusting the smooth end state it seeks as it loses distance into them. As the number of holes increases, the push towards flatness does as well, and the threadset undergoes a change in it's behavior.

A set before a hole has appeared is complete, and closed. Bounded from above.

A set with holes is incomplete, bounded from below, but not above. It is open to unfold dramatically now.

It accelerates, constantly adjusting the arrangement of it's mesh towards a broader, flatter, smoother state.

Eventually there is a point where the threads reach their maximum ability to unfurl while maintaining their relationship to each other, but as there is still no upper bound, they cross that point, and I can not see how you could describe that threadset any longer.

It has reached a state of maximum entropy, lost the ability to define locations or durations against itself, that Universe has unraveled and with a sigh it dissolved into a chaotic sea. A nearly impossible state to imagine, a no-place where the very concept of dimensionality, causality, locality, don't have any set meaning.

A state against which no further change can be distinguished. The Maximally Entropic Sea.

Yet, the dissociation of that Universe was not the sum of it's order, for it contained pockets which were unable to seek their own entropic maximum, as they were unable to alter their state enough to possess a full history.

With the removal of the external upper bound on their possible states, they are free to seek flatness, to seek smoothness, to undergo what any observers within them would describe as a Big Bang.

tl;dr, they should end at what is basically an event horizon viewed from the inside.

This Universe had a beginning to the history we observe.

If that was the first beginning ever, that is very peculiar, very troublesome. It makes no sense.

As I think Wheeler said (might be wrong), "Big Bangs make more sense if they're just one of those things that happen from time to time", and I feel they were right.

[Max™]

That'll do for now so I don't cause more, uh, as my pal Serp put it "Serpical's brain has performed an illegal operation and will now be shut down."

The quantum fluctuations btw, are just the state of the portion we are viewing as it is adjusted by it's own states out of sight from our location in time.

I actually worked out an equation which sets the upper bound for these interactions based on the objects mass and motion, while resolving into the time dilation equations of Relativity.

tf = (Mp-Ev)(c(v/c))

temporal interaction function equals (The Planck Mass minus the Energy~Mass of the object times it's velocity) times (the speed of light times (the velocity/the speed of light))

Over the Mp point, it resolves into the normal 0 < tf < 1 values of time dilation, below the Mp point it gives values where tf > 1.

If you add that tf value to the age of the Universe at the time of your observation, you get a value I mark with a big T, the period of time which the body has had causal interaction with, if you will.

E=(d/T)c², the d refers to the distance knotted up within the object, and the big T covers the distance that it has interacted with temporally.

[Max™]

How big is everything?


Scales we're used to dealing with.

Earth from the Eastern Hemisphere.

Mars, the Moon, other solar system junk of no great importance.

Here's the Earth against the medium planets.

The top object/circle is the Earth/Moon and their orbit to scale, compared to a tiny star, jupiter, saturn, etc.

The little bit at the bottom, underneath the sun, is the picture from above.

The dull red circle in the background is Betelgeuse, the yellow line around it is the orbit of Jupiter, and the other planets orbits are present in the center.

The Kuiper Belt, out beyond the orbit of Pluto.

Here you can see how far the Voyager probes have gone (the red and green arrows).

The outer shell is how far light which left the sun in early august has traveled. The inner shell is how far light that left the sun last week has reached.

This is a few objects that show as visible on the scale of a light year.

This is a 10 light year swath of space, there are just a handful of stars in our neighborhood.

Light that left the sun in 1997 has covered this region of space.

In 1759, before the American Revolution, the light that has crossed this region left the sun.

The Orion Arm.

The Milky Way.

The Galaxies orbiting the Milky Way.

The Local Group.

The Galaxies within several tens of million light years or so of us.

The Virgo Supercluster and the Galaxies within 100 million light years of us.

You are here.
The sides of that image are half a billion light years long.

Another view of the local superclusters on roughly the same scale.

Out to 1 Billion light years now.

Our 2 Billion light year neighborhood.

14 Billion light years worth of the Universe.

Each of the purple dots composing this structure is a galaxy.

Large picture here, but it shows a zoom/zoom/zoom in of the structure, the closest zoom resolves galaxies as fuzzy points of light.

A fairly accurate simulation of the largest scale structures in the Universe, that weblike shape is composed of superclusters of galaxies.

Three Dimensional representation.

[zoobernut]

That is really amazing Max. What are the current theories (or is there one accepted theory) about why matter in the universe forms those structures? Why do we have everything forming into thread/web like formations? Why is there empty space in the middle? If you went out far enough would the universe look like it was solid? (in the similar way that atoms and molecules look solid when zoomed out on a large scale far enough)

[Kuya]

There is a super cluster called Sex or is that just the abbreviation?

edit: definitely abbreviation

[Kuya]

I have to say, i can almost not resist the desire to say that the universe is God.

edit: which would mean we are God.

[Woozie]

10 larges explosions in the cosmos is on the history channel. This should be interesting.

[Pirian]

Thank you, I needed something to watch during dynamis

[Eliseos]

Missed most of it this is what happens when you do your homework.