Large Hardon Collider

[Eliseos]

From a programmer's perspective, how they handle that much data is amazing.

[Nekio]

I'm by no means a physicist (I work in the much more complex system of biology), but I do my best to grasp the concepts discussed here.

@Max: In terms of your argument that the 10th dimension represents mathematics as the sum of all possible events bound by their non-contradictory nature, could there not then exist an 11th dimension in which uniquely different logics apply? Our logical theorems are based on our observable universe, after all, and are inherently challenged by quantum physics to begin with (ie. a thing cannot exist and not-exist at the same time).

[Eliseos]

(I work in the much more complex system of biology)

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/purity.png

[Nekio]

That was the general gist of my suggestion. :D

[Eliseos]

Damn Woozie and his mathematician gang think they're better than us

[Max™]

I'm by no means a physicist (I work in the much more complex system of biology), but I do my best to grasp the concepts discussed here.

@Max: In terms of your argument that the 10th dimension represents mathematics as the sum of all possible events bound by their non-contradictory nature, could there not then exist an 11th dimension in which uniquely different logics apply? Our logical theorems are based on our observable universe, after all, and are inherently challenged by quantum physics to begin with (ie. a thing cannot exist and not-exist at the same time).

Well, the nth dimension, I can only find justification for it being an 8th above our 3 + 1 spacetime, at least without going into overly complex models just for the sake of it.

QM doesn't challenge logic, that it appears to suggests it is not formulated correctly.

The Universe as a whole is the set of statements, the consistency of it's components is in relation to that whole, and our perspective of that consistency is not as accurate with relation to events on the quantum scale.



You could argue that an unlogic dimension exists, but then it would try to disprove itself, would it not?

I don't mean a sea of numbers, incidentally, I'm speaking in broad geometric and set theoretical type terms.

Numbers are embedded in this, but it is more that any statement which can be consistently expressed, should be expressed in some fashion which is more real than not.

Different categories of existence would still fit under the broader sea of potential categories itself though.

[Woozie]

Damn Woozie and his mathematician gang think they're better than us

We may be the most pure, but you applied sciences people always have and always will make more money than us

[Eliseos]

You see equations, I see dollar signs.

[Max™]

You see equations, I see the processes they represent.

[Khamsin]

You see equations, I see the 10th dimension!

[Woozie]

You see equations, I see the 10th dimension!

You were supposed to come in and brag about how you make lots of cash and didn't have to spend two decades getting a bunch of degrees/being a post doc/trying to get tenure first.

Freakin engineers...I swear when I finally take over the world, you guys are going to be the first to get executed. Even before english majors and steelers fans.

[Eliseos]

You won't ever have a space elevator if you do that.

[Khamsin]

You were supposed to come in and brag about how you make lots of cash and didn't have to spend two decades getting a bunch of degrees/being a post doc/trying to get tenure first.

Freakin engineers...I swear when I finally take over the world, you guys are going to be the first to get executed. Even before english majors and steelers fans.

If the world was full of scientists, we'd have the theory of everything but nothing to do with it. If the world was full of engineers, we'd have The Flintstones.

We need scientists so we can steal your ideas, boil them down to fit a specific situation, make cool stuff and get all the credit. So don't feel bad, you're important, too.

[Nekio]

Well to be fair, I have a BS in biochemistry, so I'm purer than biologists and should make less money.

But then I went to med school so bling bling y'all.

[Kaylia]

We may be the most pure, but you applied sciences people always have and always will make more money than us

Better than being impure and poor. Physicists are the crack whore of natural science.





Also, anyone know a good webpage that explain how to solve differential equation. I lost every .pdf from previous classes in hardrive crash, and don't have any mathematics book at hand.

Atm, I'm trying to solve poisson equation (d²E/dr² = f(r) ), but I havent done electromagnetics in 2 years, and can't fucking remember how to do it.


[edit]
Well, I remembered how to do it for this particular case, but I would still like some good reference since it's always the same probem when I reach a differential equation that isn't f(x)= exp (ix) or sin/cos. Thanks god 95% of the one I encounter are exp ix, or I would fail every classes..

[Woozie]

I can't think of any webpages, but Advanced Engineering Mathematics by Peter O'Neal has a really good section on the poisson equation. Your college library may have a copy of it. Some books on mathematical methods for the physical sciences have a section on it as well, and you can download those books as PDF files from a torrent or ebookee or something.

Edit: Actually, they may have only done laplaces equation in that book. I can't remember. I'll check when I get home. But your best bet is going to be to either download some ebook/pdf or check your schools library. I can't find any websites that explains it.

Edit 2: I just checked the table of contents of the Oneal book on amazon, and they only go through Laplaces equation. I can't remember what book I learned the Poisson equation from (I could have sworn it was O'neal or Boas). I'll check when I get home.

Edit 3: It was Boas. Her book is pretty popular, so I would be surprised if your library didn't have some edition of it. I have two other books in my office that have sections on the Poisson equation too (I had to use the poission equation at work). I'll check their titles/authors when I get a chance, and post it here. If you google the titles, you can probably find some PDF file of the book on a torrent or ebookee.com

Edit 4: Google "boas mathematical methods pdf". There's a mediafire and a 4shared link on the first page of results. I haven't had a chance to check it out though so I don't know what edition it is.

[Kaylia]

Thanks woozie, i will check it out

[Woozie]

Crap, I forgot to check those book titles at work today.

[Kaylia]

Don't worry about it, the reference you posted earlier should do the job for a while. I just needed something at home to use as a reference

[Nuker]

oh god particle where art thou?