So we have to be nice now?

[Plow]

Are you seriously trying to give me life lessons here? But really don't answer that, I just want to make it clear I am only interested in what the moderation team has to say.

Yes, BRP, I'm trying to help you become a man.

Really.

[Khamsin]

So basically, Salvage duping all over again?

Anyway, if something is not Advanced, it doesn't get posted on BG, period?

That's why it's called Advanced. It's just that "Advanced" has been amended to include the underlying game mechanics, testing, math, and thoughtful discussions that Standard had so there's more than just drama and update notes in Advanced.

So to answer your underlying question, if its a topic that's old hat to the usual Advanced crowd but may be helpful to fresh players, there is no section for it anymore. However, even Kirin was, at one point, new to BG and vigorously discussed. As such, "non-advanced" topics are easily searched using either the built in search function, or google site:bluegartr.com/forum.

Hell, even threads like "Bastok cleared!" and numerous Kirin strat threads are still in Advanced. When you have posts like this still residing in this very section:

It seems you guys have Kirin down rather well, and I definitely tip my hat to you. If at all possible, I'd like to ask you guys a few questions about the Kirin fight some time, so if anyone could contact me, I'd definitely be very appreciative. Thanks, and congrats on all your accomplishments, very awesome for a NA LS.

...there's nothing any new players should need to make a new thread about.

It's all there, just flip a hundred or so pages back and look for it. Or search. Or ask Alla. Just don't make a new thread about it.

P.S. If anyone necrobumps those topics, I can guarantee it's the last necrobump you'll make!

[Plow]

There's a whole lot of that stuff in General, too, that never got moved to advanced.

[Seraphus]

inb4 i-dont-know-what-the-fuck-it-is-but-it-sure-as-hell-must-be-either-mechanical-eventful-standard-avanced-or-neosutra-getting-banned

[Cadsuane]

You know what the real problem with post count is? People with low post counts tend to be intimidated simply by high post counts. They have no clue the difference between someone like me, who has admittedly added very little to the ffxi content, but participated in endless general discussions, and someone like Rukenshin, whose input was utterly invaluable to the progression of the NA FFXI community.

You assume that post count is what earns the respect someone like him receives, when nobody would give a shit if he posted his livejournal here once and never posted again, if we still got the same amount of information and raw understanding from him, his 2nd post would have been every bit as well received as his 1000th.

In other words, honestly nobody gives a shit about post count unless they have a low one, and look at it like a zit on their nose or something

You're seriously going to argue that post count doesn't matter when there's an example two posts above yours of some pathetic mouthbreather shifting into troll mode because he didn't see four digits under an avatar, ironically enough over a post that essentially agrees with him.

This is really besides the point, anyway. I don't really give a shit about post count politics any more than to say that yeah, even though it's not the only way to gather lickspittle sycophants on a forum, it's definitely one way to do so.

Admittedly, there is a rather large chunk of incredible douchebaggery. However, the reality is that for a few years now, nearly everything happens here first. Sure, there are those that won't post their new information-- that comes with the territory of a massive audience in a competitive game. But when it comes to missions, quests, new nm's, new events, etc. etc., if you want the information the day it comes out, BG is where you go now.

The relevant information about these things is catalogued adequately by 20 other sources on the very same day it's put here the vast majority of the time. The only thing BG has a monopoly on is a body of opinions that loosely represent the FFXI playing demographic. So, barometre of FFXI culture. For instance, the value of the job adjustments for ninja thread comes from the fact that all sorts of attitudes and opinions are being expressed about the new abilities in question, the current state of NIN as a job, the state of job balance in FFXI, SE's trends in current updates, the reactions to statements about all these things, whatever. If it ends up being controversial, even better. That sort of thing's what you go to advanced for. It's a particular brand of bullshit I enjoy.

[Plow]

You're seriously going to argue that post count doesn't matter when there's an example two posts above yours of some pathetic mouthbreather shifting into troll mode because he didn't see four digits under an avatar, ironically enough over a post that essentially agrees with him.

Are you talking about neo? If so, just lol...

This is really besides the point, anyway. I don't really give a shit about post count politics any more than to say that yeah, even though it's not the only way to gather lickspittle sycophants on a forum, it's definitely one way to do so.

Again, the only people that care about post counts in general are people specifically looking for something to argue about other than the topic at hand, or those that simply haven't seen what those posts have been.

The relevant information about these things is catalogued adequately by 20 other sources on the very same day it's put here the vast majority of the time.

Where the hell do you think they get the information? I sure hope you don't think I'm talking about dat mining...

The only thing BG has a monopoly on is a body of opinions that loosely represent the FFXI playing demographic. So, barometre of FFXI culture. For instance, the value of the job adjustments for ninja thread comes from the fact that all sorts of attitudes and opinions are being expressed about the new abilities in question, the current state of NIN as a job, the state of job balance in FFXI, SE's trends in current updates, whatever. That sort of thing's what you go to advanced for. It's a particular brand of bullshit I enjoy.

BG has a "monopoly" on people that actually know what the hell they're doing testing out new strategies and events. That's what advanced is "about," and that's why I suggested they could've simply merged the event and advanced, and left standard as it was.

[Neosutra]

He thinks I called him out due to his post count?

I called him out for being a sandy vagina. Thats it.

Seriously, why doing people that resent the "elitest" attitude of BG still fucking read and post here? There is an entire forum for people that dont like "elitism" and it's waiting for you and everyone else that TPs in str rings.

[Belkin]

Seriously, why doing people that resent the "elitest" attitude of BG still fucking read and post here? There is an entire forum for people that dont like "elitism" and it's waiting for you and everyone else that TPs in str rings.

Hahahaha.

Yes.

[Killkenny]

When standard was seperate there would often be threads or general or specialised interest and with the rules of standard being different you could generally get good answers to your questions and any derailing or attempts at creating stupid arguements were either removed or put in a thread of their own. It was a relatively low traffic part of the forum but people still got answers and it was generally fairly clean (a bit of name calling and attempts to undermine people whos views you don't share but it wasn't as if we had to sift through 3 pages of useless posts to find 1 bit of information).

Advanced had become stagnent and was just for posting new updates/completed relics and the ocassional PW pop or drama thread. Although it wasn't really being much use as a subforum itself it was keeping a lot of the crap out of standard.

I think now the mods will have to be a lot more pro-active in removing posts before silly derails occur because there are more jaded egos lurking in Advanced than there was in standard. Then theres the fact that this game is years old now and a lot of the people who post don't play anymore but still feel they are part of the community so it makes even more sense for the maths/stratergy side of things to be kept seperate from things like update information or server drama.

[Toth]

He thinks I called him out due to his post count?

I called him out for being a sandy vagina. Thats it.

Seriously, why doing people that resent the "elitest" attitude of BG still fucking read and post here? There is an entire forum for people that dont like "elitism" and it's waiting for you and everyone else that TPs in str rings.

Actually, a lot of quality players I know that know how to play their jobs very well stopped reading BG because of certain players' 'elitism'. Attitude really turn people off too, regardless of how informative the board is.

[Neosutra]

Actually, a lot of quality players I know that know how to play their jobs very well stopped reading BG because of certain players' 'elitism'. Attitude really turn people off too, regardless of how informative the board is.

I think the stuff you are talking about is alot different then Cad was. There is a difference between not liking that 90% of threads in advanced derailing into insult posts and drama threads by the 2-3rd page, and getting a sandy vag when another idiot posts an untested AV strat and people rip him a new one for it. One is acceptable critism and one is retarded.

[Yugl]

There is an entire forum for people that dont like "elitism" and it's waiting for you and everyone else that TPs in str rings.

Hey man, don't hate on my Rajas Ring.

[Cadsuane]

He thinks I called him out due to his post count?

I called him out for being a sandy vagina. Thats it.

Seriously, why doing people that resent the "elitest" attitude of BG still fucking read and post here? There is an entire forum for people that dont like "elitism" and it's waiting for you and everyone else that TPs in str rings.

Yeah, you're profiling me as a butthurt outsider instead of actually reading my post. I don't resent BG elitism or even allege that it is elitist (you tool), though saying there's no in-group circle jerk on any forum with more than two posters is just naive. If advanced wants to be a troll pit vacillating about salvage duping or whatever the topic of the day is, I'm saying it's not a huge tragedy. Being a sandy vagina would be turning the board into an over-moderated pretentious pile of shit.

[Spider-Dan]

That's why it's called Advanced. It's just that "Advanced" has been amended to include the underlying game mechanics, testing, math, and thoughtful discussions that Standard had so there's more than just drama and update notes in Advanced.

So to answer your underlying question, if its a topic that's old hat to the usual Advanced crowd but may be helpful to fresh players, there is no section for it anymore.

So is it still true that the posting of "topics not Advanced will result in a ban"?

[Neosutra]

Yeah, you're profiling me as a butthurt outsider instead of actually reading my post. I don't resent BG elitism or even allege that it is elitist (you tool), though saying there's no in-group circle jerk on any forum with more than two posters is just naive. If advanced wants to be a troll pit vacillating about salvage duping or whatever the topic of the day is, I'm saying it's not a huge tragedy. Being a sandy vagina would be turning the board into an over-moderated pretentious pile of shit.

Actually I did read your post, and it is the content of your trash that I called you a leaky vag on. Dont cry to me when you are called out for the retarded shit you post.

If you honestly think Uryuu's AV thread and Poof's nyzul thread represent "quality knowledge" and everyone that trashed them are "elitest assholes" then yes you are a butthurt naive piece of shit, and you need to go back to forums that tolerate your quality of ignorance.

Seriously, get the fuck out of here if you have a problem with this board and the people on it.

[ringthree]

So basically, Salvage duping all over again?

Anyway, if something is not Advanced, it doesn't get posted on BG, period?

I called a GM prior to SMN burning and was given approval and the GM knew what I was talking about. They said that SE is looking at it, but for now it was fine as long as you didn't violate any other rules.

[Gergall]

I called a GM prior to SMN burning and was given approval and the GM knew what I was talking about. They said that SE is looking at it, but for now it was fine as long as you didn't violate any other rules.

The reason you shouldn't start a thread about SMN burn is completely different than the salvage duping.

First, it isn't "advanced" (I admit I have no idea how to tell if something is advanced, but my friend's cousin told me that this topic is not advanced). Second, although probably first in many people's minds, threads about SMN burn would lead to more overcrowding at the best camps.

[The Q]

I wonder why BRP was banned?

Also I too would like a clear word on the question of "If it is not 'Advanced' is there no place for it on BG anymore?"

[Gere]

How can something not be advanced if most people can't do it without being told how to do it?

[Neosutra]

How can something not be advanced if most people can't do it without being told how to do it?

This.