Job Adjustments and Additions Part I (07/03/2009)

[Seraphus]

Out of curiousity, is Dread Spikes "Dark Magic" or "Enhancing Magic" (do you get Dark Magic skillups if uncapped)?

It's dark magic. You'll get skillups when it casts, but not every time it procs (just saying that for clarity)

[Suiram]

I didn't know about the Drain/Aspir/Dread Spikes thing. What seems most likely to me now is that Fealty should properly read, "Grants a powerful resistance to enfeebling and dark magic," and that Meteor and Comet are in fact not elemental magic but dark (VS, I think you were saying this already, so I apologize). "Dark Magic" here I mean as opposed to Elemental/Enfeebling/Healing/Summoning, etc, btw, and not Fire/Ice/Wind, etc (so stun is included, while dark-element elemental magic would not be).

So if this is the case, a PLD and SCH fighting a colibri, reflecting bio2 and drain should be reduced, while Noctohelix shouldn't be. Would be interesting to check.

[Seraphus]

I'm very unsure on whether Fealty affects Choke/Shock/Burn/Rasp/Drown/Frost/Helices...

They are elemental magic, but they do have enfeebling "effects"

I think SE just fucked up writing what Fealty will and won't work on

The list seems to be:
Any and All Dark Magic
Any and All Enfeebling Magic
Divine Magic (?)
Enfeebling "Effects" from Monster's TP moves

I'll go test Helices now >_>

[LinktheDeme]

I personally think the best way to handle meteor from AV is to have 3-4 Paladins all with capped fealty :/

Then find out how often AV uses meteor, make 1-2, or hell even 3-4 if the time between casts permits for it.

I'll place money on the fact that any Paladin with Fealty active is guarenteed to survive meteor unless you're under 200 HP anyway

Isn't it instantly casted?

[Seraphus]

From my understanding, it can be under Chainspell.

Can AV Only cast Meteor with Chainspell active?

[Andradi]

I recall it being mentioned he can cast it freely when under a certain amount of health, 60% or 70% or something.

[Seraphus]

Myself (PLD75/WHM37) and Flintyoungblood (SCH75/BLM37) went into Diorama Ghelsba to do tests on Helices and Elemental DOT Resists. Here was the progression of how it went.

#1: Flintyoungblood had an Aquilo's Staff equipped for this whole thing.
#2: Flintyoungblood also had 77+76 INT and 282 Elemental Skill (INT Focused Build)
#3: Cryohelix would do 86 Damage Unresisted. Any other Helix would do 68 damage Unresisted (See Point #1)

=========Pre-Fealty=========
Flintyoungblood casted Cryohelix. 86 damage. (No resist)
Flintyoundblood casted Pyrohelix. 68 damage. (No resist)
Flintyoundblood casted Choke. Landed.

=========With Fealty Active========
Flintyoungblood casted Cryohelix. 86 damage. DOT effect still present. (No resist)
Seraphus erased the Helix effect.
Flintyoungblood casted Luminohelix. 74 damage. DOT effect still present. (No resist)
Seraphus erased the Helix effect.
Flintyoungblood casted Noctohelix. 74 damage. DOT effect still present. (No resist)
Flintyoungblood casted Choke. Landed.
Seraphus erased the Choke effect.


Conclusion: Fealty has zero effect on any spell of the Elemental magic family, regardless of the spell having an inherant enfeebling effect.
Meteor cannot be Elemental Magic.

Hope that sheds some light on the subject for some people.

[Suiram]

That wasn't a colibri but it'll do I guess.

[Virtuous Saint]

Also taking into account the bare minimum of FFXI resist rates, every 4-5 meteors that go off in Behemoth's Dominion, you're bound to at least have a couple resists out of the 40 or so targets (inside and outside of the fighting alliance)

When's the last time you ever heard someone say "Woot I resisted meteor" without them being a Paladin with Fealty meritted?

Surviving meteor and resisting it are completely different things, and some of it can be mistaken for it like White Mage MDB + their stoneskin making them take around 600 damage.

If you take away all the MDB, Shell, MDT- gear, and Fealty capabilities, you will never see a "resisted" meteor unless you somehow put something that'd use Meteor in a pankration ring with a pot or an Ahriman.

It's resistance traits are almost (if not completely) the same as dark magic spells, as I said. (Except stun)

That is false, at least for AV's meteor. In one of our videos a RDM resisted meteor, he had no -MDT +MDB, and it was a bracelets meteor.

I will be testing +dark resistance next time we fight it.

[Seraphus]

Link to video and time please?

[Virtuous Saint]

From my understanding, it can be under Chainspell.

Can AV Only cast Meteor with Chainspell active?

No it can never ever cast Meteor or Comet with Chainspell active, even under 79% where it gains Meteor, Comet, and Explosive Impulse on its spells/abilities list to freely use without 2hrs, where as above 79% it can only use these with Manafont and Meikyo Shisui.

Most of the wiki information about AV is completely incorrect, the best thing would be to remove all of that information about AV on that page.

[Virtuous Saint]

Duh, Fucking Morons, Meteor and Comet are Enfeebling Magic!

Why the fuck else would Fealty mitigate 90% of its damage

Spoiler: show

*runs*

Spoiler: show

But really, Meteor is Dark Magic >_> idk what the hell ya'll are smoking.
Contrary to Fealty's description, it actually blocks the effects of anything that isn't Elemental Magic.
So that leaves meteor to either be Enfeebling or Dark magic.
Hint: It doesn't inflict debuffs at all

Don't know if you were kidding but Comet isn't resisted by Fealty.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Don't know if you were kidding but Comet isn't resisted by Fealty.

Edit: hurrr da durr read.

[Virtuous Saint]

Edit: hurrr da durr read.

Nothing about that is saying meteor only, it is actually talking about both being enfeebling/dark, which there is no reason to think comet is the same as meteor due to the fact that fealty doesn't resist it..

[Seraphus]

Nothing about that is saying meteor only, it is actually talking about both being enfeebling/dark, which there is no reason to think comet is the same as meteor due to the fact that fealty doesn't resist it..

Either Enfeebling OR Dark.

At no point in my statement did I call it both, and I left Comet out of the second spoiler for a reason.

So:

Edit: hurrr da durr read.

This. And:

Link to video and time please?

Still waiting for this.

[Virtuous Saint]

Either Enfeebling OR Dark.

At no point in my statement did I call it both, and I left Comet out of the second spoiler for a reason.

So:


This. And:



Still waiting for this.

Ya, that is what I meant, and you aren't getting that video.

[Sho]

Pretty awesome if it's enfeebling or dark magic. Sorry to have started the derail again on it, but I think this is better headway on killing AV smoothly han most recent topics that come with jokes and such.

[Virtuous Saint]

Pretty awesome if it's enfeebling or dark magic. Sorry to have started the derail again on it, but I think this is better headway on killing AV smoothly han most recent topics that come with jokes and such.

Ya I think it could easily be either, but I am confident it is dark element based, as seen in the .dat, along with the fact that Fenrir/Diabolos resist it. I think what Suiram suggested is an excellent way to find if it could be dark magic, as opposed to being just a guess whether or not it could be dark.

[Blackbrock]

This thread is now about meteor.
Discuss.

[Seraphus]

Ya, that is what I meant, and you aren't getting that video.

Then your words are without merit. Get the fuck out.