The New Standard

[Cow_k]

I know this is getting off topic, but I totally did the dynamic/dynamis typo yesterday during an exam... Sort of freaks me out a little that that's the first place my brain wants to go.

[Kryssan]

Meh, just give in. Easier than fighting it.



I've yet to meet a fellow nuke/aero/etc engineer that wasn't a geek in some form or another. No matter how hard they try to bury it, some part of them somewhere has a tendency to fall into the category. Some of us just stopped caring what others thought of us a long time ago.



I remember a friend of mine that was a quantum physics doctorate back in college that we called Squirrel. Why, you ask? Well, its not because he was skinny. Every time he saw a squirrel on campus he dropped down on all fours and chased it. Like a dog. Granted, this guy was leagues smarter than I when it comes to quantum mechanics. My understandings only basic, though maybe eventually I'll delve higher into it. But yeah. Try explaining that to people watching. A few typos here and there or misunderstood conversations is a light load to bear.


TL;DR: Give up. You're a geek. Admit it to yourself and move on. If you can't laugh at yourself you don't deserve the right to laugh at others.

[Talisien]

it was over the weekend, I had a lot to do and my paycheck from BlueGarter Entertainment was late, so I had to go transfer some other funds from my job

oh wait I dont get paid. I said I would organize it more, its coming along, its a slow process to get everything shiny

I read the new sticky (as well as the very relevant responses from mods/admins) and I think it's an excellent start. It strikes me as serious without being overbearing, and it forces posters to take a good hard look at what they're writing while empowering them to stand behind their work with pride and fervor.

I liked Nikkei's post the first time I read it, and I like it all the more now, but I really like the blurb defining Advanced on the forum list. It establishes its purpose succinctly while reminding people that it's not a kiddie pool. In short, it's the best of Advanced and Standard. I don't know if it will bring Kaeko and his Super Friends out of hiding quite yet, but it seems like a really good start.

On a personal note, my thanks to the mods and admins for their presence here. It's truly an honor to have my title gracing the headline of a forum I've respected and valued for so long.

I'm glad this thread provided such an optimistic and sincere alternative to the other thread questioning the status of Advanced. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like we accomplished something good here. This forum has a vast untapped potential (Kaeko's post should've proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt), and I look forward to many more threads like "BLM, INT vs. MAB".

[ringthree]

the merger was needed and Ill say that because advanced was SHIT, standard was gold. I didnt so much as merge standard into advanced in that I merged the proper advanced player discussion with cool math and shit (Standard) into the Drama, news, elitist cockfag show (Advanced) and told the elitist cockfags to get the fuck out. News grew up, we gave it hugs, kisses, and cab fare and sent it off to its own new forum.

This is a manifesto for a new day at BG!

All hail the man-cat!

[Spider-Dan]

Am I the only one who just now got the double entendre of "FFXI Advanced - The New Standard"?

Just trying to figure out if I'm really quick, or really slow.

[The Blackrose]

Are advanced readers capable of holding their tongue and being civil?

The old standard frequenters generally were. But by merging the 2 sections, you combine us, and unfortunately, the fact that the standard readers are civil won't prevent flame wars if the advanced posters egg it on. It takes only 2 to start one, and you can't really stop one outside of a mod lock.

Sono didn't give us the ban sticks just for show and tell.

I find BG still by far the best place for information in this game and to discuss strategy; however, advanced is rarely the section for this now. For me personally, I learn the most from BG via PMs now. I don't post very serious threads openly looking for answers, I just go directly to certain players because we can have the best discussions this way. This doesn't help the average reader or poster though.

I'm not going to lie, but Advanced sort of dropped off the radar for me months ago. I only stepped in every now and then to be a regulator. I found more of my time being spent in Standard, with the left over going to Spam/IAS and Event. Even with the new provision that went in with us being allowed to drop the banhammer, it still didn't draw me in the way a good Standard thread did. The attitudes were one of the focal issues with that. Stagnation was the other. Outside of a few threads, Advanced would be dead for months at a time.

If anything, I sort of weep more for the loss of the Event forum.

If it was up to me, I would have kept Advanced and Standard separate, swapped names and kept rules exactly the same. While BG is an informative place, a lot of people come here for the drama posts, and also for threads that boast showing off their ultimate accomplishments which is cool as well, just shouldn't have been called Advanced Discussion.

Sad thing is Spam came to this conclusion months, if not years ago.

You know, that one board that certain people tend to shit on a lot around here.

Based on what I'm reading, it sounds like the mods need to publicize all of Kaeko's PMs.

I wish Kaeko would PM me... It gets lonely some nights. T_T

[Kryssan]

I wish Kaeko would PM me... It gets lonely some nights. T_T

This is one of the moments I wish I had more expertise with Photoshop. I read this and thought I should make a spoof on FFXI armor titled Western Nights with Latent Effect: Loneliness.


Ah well.

[nitsuj]

Combining is good. One big forum of information is less for me to check in the morning. Just be more harsh to people who post stupid post +1 stuff in here, or are just trolling for trolling's sake.

[Talisien]

Am I the only one who just now got the double entendre of "FFXI Advanced - The New Standard"?

Just trying to figure out if I'm really quick, or really slow.

I think what I liked most about how Sono titled the forum was that the secondary meaning really stands out now. I thought people might see it in the post, but it was much more subtle (or rather, it was placed next to the formal title so much it was hard to see I guess).

But no, not sure how many people saw it before it was the forum title.

[Khamsin]

So now that an official news section has been made, I guess we just post the news there (and lock the thread), and then discuss it here? Like we do with dat mining and discussion threads.

[Silenka]

Not that I really have any say in it, but I'd think it would make more sense to put the discussion of news in the news section as well, since it's already going to be pretty cluttered in here >.> Maybe that's just me though...

[Khamsin]

Not that I really have any say in it, but I'd think it would make more sense to put the discussion of news in the news section as well, since it's already going to be pretty cluttered in here >.> Maybe that's just me though...

Attempting to stop people from discussing updates (in Advanced) on major announcement days is like using belly lint as a tampon. Let alone on patch day, itself.

The way I see the news section working out is news will be posted there, but will be all but dead in terms of discussion because everyone will want to talk about it here, instead.

But, if it be Sonomaa's will to stand against the flood and ban/lock everyone and everythread concerning patch notes in Advanced, then by Darwin, I will.

(insert teary eyed patriotic salute)

[Spider-Dan]

I don't see how it would be any different than it is now... just with the actual update thread in another forum. People will still be free to discuss repercussions of patches in Advanced, but the majority of update-related discussion will just naturally end up in the update thread (again, as it already does).

[Khamsin]

I don't see how it would be any different than it is now... just with the actual update thread in another forum. People will still be free to discuss repercussions of patches in Advanced, but the majority of update-related discussion will just naturally end up in the update thread (again, as it already does).

I'm more envisioning that people won't bother going to a separate forum they never visit that never has any new posts except once every few months to discuss the new updates. Advanced has always been the hotspot for whatever the hot FFXI-related topic of the day is.

[Kaisha]

Would probably be best to sticky a thread-link to the latest update notice in the advanced section as they come, because god forbid some people don't learn.....

[Spider-Dan]

I'm more envisioning that people won't bother going to a separate forum they never visit that never has any new posts except once every few months to discuss the new updates. Advanced has always been the hotspot for whatever the hot FFXI-related topic of the day is.

Prior to this merge, people still went to Advanced to discuss updates, even though Advanced was dead. Q.E.D.

[BerenTebogo]

I won't go in-depth as to my reasons but I strongly disagree with this move. Yes the douchebaggery has gotten out of hand but that's mainly because Tekki is overzealous about retarded shit and never about anything important, Falisa has no idea what she's doing, Ksandra just deletes threads and passes the buck, and overall the mods are afraid to really dole out any punishment or restriction - even to myself. God knows I've deserved it in a lot of stuff lately and I've been testing the waters. It's on your shoulders and you failed (besides Isla and Soneldar bitches at me in game.)

You want a cleaner, friendlier Advanced? That's fine. But it's not going to happen by throwing a blanket over everything and making idle threats. Standard was amazing and Advanced was a lollerfest - but anyone with half a fucking brain knew it. "This is advanced?" was a joke because nothing in advanced was advance, ever. Don't be daft about that shit.

We're being pussies because certain linkshells are waving around "we know how to lock AV but we won't share with BG because they're big meany heads who don't deserve it!" and you know what? Fuck ALL of you. Fuck you, fuck off, suck my ass.

Nobody would be locking fuckall on AV without the numerous advancements that were fronted and advanced via BG by the community as a whole - and more specifically by our flawed way of doing things. You're hypocritical fuckwads and frankly you should be burned alive if any of you think you have something to hold over the head of this community. Fuck you, again.

I'm all for a more strictly enforced set of rules, I'll even follow them. Do it for the right reasons though. Don't do it because "wahhhh people bitched about the forums wahhh" Fuck off, suck it up or step down faggots. Don't do it because "we have info but we're not sharing with you because we may get made fun of so we're going to cover that up by saying you're all jerks!" Fuck off fuck you fuck all of you. Everything you're using started as a debate or conversation somewhere and a LOT of it was here.

In short: I approve of the spirit of the change but I think the reasons it's being pushed through makes us all look like spineless-fuckbags who will gladly take a red-hot cock up the ass for a tiny tidbit of info.

Inc ban for modsass and not for half the train I've run all over the forums in the past month for 'science'

[orson]

Combining is good. One big forum of information is less for me to check in the morning. Just be more harsh to people who post stupid post +1 stuff in here, or are just trolling for trolling's sake.

Ya the minute a discussion degrades into pointless rhetoric and name calling is when the posts need to be just completely removed. I always found that's the best way to completely stop stupid trolling and arguments.

Sath, I don't think anyone's saying that we can't still say stuff like "this was just covered, you should use the search function, etc." It's the tone has to change a bit. Legitimate questions is one thing but an idiot coming on posting their latest, greatest theory on how jailer weapons and ebon panels lock AV without providing any evidence or actually fighting AV should be considered spam and deleted. I think even before if people had good ideas in advanced they wouldn't usually be scorned. What would happen almost always is infighting between the usuals that are constantly on here. All it would take would be one person to make some point close to an old argument and then the thread would descend into a shit storm of spam. I personally think that if people can't deal with being called an idiot when they are being one should probably stay off the internet but I don't really think that "people not being nice" was the problem really. Any information and discussion that has been good in advanced has almost instantly been buried by the constant spammage of posts completely unrelated or pointless arguing. As soon as that happens you get a crap load of the "where's info" posts then the "GFTO you stupid asshole read the thread!!!!" Which in reality the person who might have had something to good to add thinks "fuck this" and leaves because who wants to sift through 20 pages of shit just to get the 10 or so posts that were actually gold.

tl;dr If people don't have something truly constructive to add to a thread that isn't something like "What's favorite NM?" then they shouldn't fucking post. That was the problem with the old advanced too much spam.

[Spira]

keeping discussion of news and announcements in the same thread is better than splitting news only to that forum and discussion elsewhere, because people are bound to discuss and when theres a discussion they'll usually need a header topic with the details, and u'd end up having duplicate topics...

and this is compounded if/when news topics can spring up in Advanced discussion before they appear in News. i dunno how the system works for posting in News here now.. but I've encountered that problem myself when we started an event/news forum in KI.. it shouldnt be too different...

[LD]

"This is advanced?" was a joke because nothing in advanced was advance, ever.

I have the impulse to say "E-fucking-xactly" and leave it at that, but the BLU thread was consistently informative over the 3 years it's been around. I say that to say what I said before; Old ADV wasn't that bad, shit has just gone downhill.

Spoiler: show

Otherwise, I agree with Sath; If you really wanted ADV to improve, you should have enforced order more strictly & cut everything off when it was obvious people were no longer discussing things and began monologuing at each other (e.g. 99% of every argument). When you're no longer trading ideas and are just trying to plow your's into the others head, it's a pissing contest, not an intellectual debate. Now, I realized this BEFORE I signed up to BG, but I thought you people were ok with it since half the mods engage in it. Then I saw a few people getting BS for 'playing the game', so I thought you were just hypocrites and accepted it as is; even if someone was the 'bad' guy, they'd never get punished for it, so it could have been worse. Now I see this and I was initially confused, but it all boils down to the same lack of effective poster management.

If you wanna take the 'I don't get paid for this, this is a fucking video game forum that takes up an inordinate amount of time and effort and you should be grateful for whatever I do.' tack, that's fine, really, but you can't say that and then whine about us not taking it seriously. You can't care and not care at the same time, as often as people on these boards like to deny that while writing their 10th wall-o-text, this is an absolute fact. I admit that I have never written something more than 2 words long that I didn't think was important to say, even when I was proven wrong. That's why the 'this is a video game, you nerd' cop-out the most odious thing in the entire gaming community, it's the most hypocritical thing you can say if you have anything resembling a valid opinion (and if you don't, then why am I listening to you?).

Cliffnotes:
"If you really wanted ADV to improve, you should have enforced order more strictly & cut everything off when it was obvious people were no longer discussing things and began monologuing at each other (e.g. 99% of every argument)."

"If you wanna take the 'I don't get paid for this...' tack, that's fine, really, but you can't say that and then whine about us not taking it seriously. You can't care and not care at the same time..."

If it bothers you so much, close the fucker to outsiders and make it LS only again. A bastion of intellectual conversation always crops up somewhere, so you don't have to take on the full responsibility if you don't want to.