Torchwood

[Galkaeater]

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Any reading material on John HArt taking over Jack's position? I'd be pretty pissed if they replaced him, Torchwood without JAck Harkness.. doesn't really seem like Torchwood at all. I was assuming todays episode would result in some time reversal or some other strange occurance that leaves Ianto alive, or it's gonna suck (in an awesome awesome way)

Its gona be some stupid deux ex machina of doctor who apearing randomly and using his sonic screwdriver to make everything magicly ok

[Astarael]

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well, wow at the ending. they obviously couldn't kill him off, what with the season 1 ending of doctor who, but i didn't figure they'd do that. guess there might be some merit to a replacement head of torchwood in further seasons, if there are any further seasons

[Celeste]

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The Children of Earth mini-series did very well in the UK. It's gonna do worse in the USA, but then again, I've noticed that most British shows due tend to falter in the USA. At any rate, Jack Harkness apparently won't be coming back for the next season. I never really like him as a character. he sorta pissed me off. And then he used his grandson as a sacrificial lamb, I mean, wtf?

[Maxxthepenguin]

ok im watching this now and god damn, every secondary character's teeth are so god damn british

[Septimus]

After watching the whole thing:

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I don't think that it was very well planned out. The first three days were very good, but the 4th day really started sputtering out, and it completely fell apart on the fifth day. And, of course, I was no fan of killing off Ianto- it doesn't help that there was about as much emotion put into it as if Ianto left Torchwood to take a job working at the DMV. (As opposed to Owen's and Toshiko's heart-rending death scenes. And I didn't even like Owen.)

The problem I see is that they moved the show to BBC 1 right after they just happened to kill off all of the bisexual characters except for Jack (who can't die). But somehow the wet and useless, yet unquestionably heterosexual, Gwen managed to live. It seems like they decided to make the show more heteronormative so as not to frighten the BBC1 audience. Which is a shame since sci-fi as a genre is generally considered to be very gay-unfriendly.

Anyway, not to sound all angry internet poster, but Torchwood is dead to me. Hope Russel T. Davis enjoys his new audience.

[Maxxthepenguin]

After watching the whole thing:

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I don't think that it was very well planned out. The first three days were very good, but the 4th day really started sputtering out, and it completely fell apart on the fifth day. And, of course, I was no fan of killing off Ianto- it doesn't help that there was about as much emotion put into it as if Ianto left Torchwood to take a job working at the DMV. (As opposed to Owen's and Toshiko's heart-rending death scenes. And I didn't even like Owen.)

The problem I see is that they moved the show to BBC 1 right after they just happened to kill off all of the bisexual characters except for Jack (who can't die). But somehow the wet and useless, yet unquestionably heterosexual, Gwen managed to live. It seems like they decided to make the show more heteronormative so as not to frighten the BBC1 audience. Which is a shame since sci-fi as a genre is generally considered to be very gay-unfriendly.

Anyway, not to sound all angry internet poster, but Torchwood is dead to me. Hope Russel T. Davis enjoys his new audience.

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Anything with Jack Harkness cannot be heteronormative and it's not Torchwood without Jack, that man will fuck anything and everything and I doubt that will change. Not only that, but if it was going really mainstream, they wouldn't have had a plot about the government killing 10% of the world's children and had the main character kill his own fucking grandson. Not a very sympathetic thing to do, not endearing to the general audience. Also remember: they killed the straightest person in the main cast (before Rhys mattered) in season 2. They've killed off the entire cast except the main characters and Rhys. They need to rebuild now and I doubt Davies is going to make Torchwood full of straight people.

And if you think Jack would stay gone long if the series is brought back...well... lol.

[Qalbert]

because a british show having a new male lead is unheard of
cough, doctor who, cough, primeval cough cough

[Septimus]

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Anything with Jack Harkness cannot be heteronormative and it's not Torchwood without Jack, that man will fuck anything and everything and I doubt that will change. Not only that, but if it was going really mainstream, they wouldn't have had a plot about the government killing 10% of the world's children and had the main character kill his own fucking grandson. Not a very sympathetic thing to do, not endearing to the general audience. Also remember: they killed the straightest person in the main cast (before Rhys mattered) in season 2. They've killed off the entire cast except the main characters and Rhys. They need to rebuild now and I doubt Davies is going to make Torchwood full of straight people.

And if you think Jack would stay gone long if the series is brought back...well... lol.

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You didn't notice how they were playing up Jack's feelings for Gwen towards the end of season 2 and through the mini-series? Now that Gwen is pregnant, what are the chances the Rhys gets killed off and Jack has to play daddy? (Fairly high.)

Also, I wouldn't go patterning my heterosexuality after Owen. In the first episode he used pheromones to get the boyfriend of the woman that he was trying to shag to shag him. I don't think that Owen was so much "bisexual" as he was a "total narcissist who would fuck anyone and anything if it made him feel better".

But honestly, the whole thing with the Government willing to give away 10% of the child population was part of what really made the mini-series unravel. Not really in the mini-series itself, but in the aftermath- there wouldn't be a government left after that. Soldiers coming to take children away (even if the general populace didn't know that they were to be given to aliens) would be one of those things that would cause people to riot, revolt, and cause complete anarchy. No matter how fat and stupid the populace has become, stealing 10% of your own nation's children would cause a revolution.

I can't really comment about Jack killing his grandson, I gave up on it less than 10 minutes into the 5th day when it became clear that they didn't even consider what I said above.

[Maxxthepenguin]

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You didn't notice how they were playing up Jack's feelings for Gwen towards the end of season 2 and through the mini-series? Now that Gwen is pregnant, what are the chances the Rhys gets killed off and Jack has to play daddy? (Fairly high.)

Also, I wouldn't go patterning my heterosexuality after Owen. In the first episode he used pheromones to get the boyfriend of the woman that he was trying to shag to shag him. I don't think that Owen was so much "bisexual" as he was a "total narcissist who would fuck anyone and anything if it made him feel better".

But honestly, the whole thing with the Government willing to give away 10% of the child population was part of what really made the mini-series unravel. Not really in the mini-series itself, but in the aftermath- there wouldn't be a government left after that. Soldiers coming to take children away (even if the general populace didn't know that they were to be given to aliens) would be one of those things that would cause people to riot, revolt, and cause complete anarchy. No matter how fat and stupid the populace has become, stealing 10% of your own nation's children would cause a revolution.

I can't really comment about Jack killing his grandson, I gave up on it less than 10 minutes into the 5th day when it became clear that they didn't even consider what I said above.

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Hey, if Rhys gets killed off then that's one less mainstream straight guy, right? I wouldn't be surprised if Jack and Gwen end up together somehow. It's what tends to happen when you have a drama with two main characters and they have interest in each others' sex.

I still consider Owen to be straight.

One quirk of modern western democracies is that they tend to be ok with ousting the leaders while keeping the system in tact to prevent anarchy. I'm sure that's going to be what they do if they bother to address it at all. Let's be frank, though, this show was never particularly well written. I thought CoE was better written than much of series 1 and 2, it just fell a bit under the weight of a 5 hour plot and had a few issues with telling instead of showing (oh plus ALIENS USE BABIES AS DRUGS LOL). Fun? Sure. But it was cheesy as hell and I doubt they are too worried with the "universe creation and maintenance" aspect of sci-fi".

Oh and the people did revolt in the 5th day.

[Septimus]

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Hey, if Rhys gets killed off then that's one less mainstream straight guy, right? I wouldn't be surprised if Jack and Gwen end up together somehow. It's what tends to happen when you have a drama with two main characters and they have interest in each others' sex.

I still consider Owen to be straight.

One quirk of modern western democracies is that they tend to be ok with ousting the leaders while keeping the system in tact to prevent anarchy. I'm sure that's going to be what they do if they bother to address it at all. Let's be frank, though, this show was never particularly well written. I thought CoE was better written than much of series 1 and 2, it just fell a bit under the weight of a 5 hour plot and had a few issues with telling instead of showing (oh plus ALIENS USE BABIES AS DRUGS LOL). Fun? Sure. But it was cheesy as hell and I doubt they are too worried with the "universe creation and maintenance" aspect of sci-fi".

Oh and the people did revolt in the 5th day.

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If Rhys gets killed off, it will be done for the sole purpose of furthering the Jack Gwen pairing. That is an act of Heteronormalization.

In the last episode of season 1 when Abaddon was sashaying around destroying everything, Owen, Tosh, and Ianto were in the Hub while Gwen and Jack went out to stop it. When asked what they should do, Owen suggested that they all have sex. How is that straight? That is not the suggestion of someone who rates a Kinsey 0.

The problem with the "ousting the leaders while keeping the system in tact" thing is that the person who said "let's give the aliens the poors" is now in charge of the government. That isn't ousting, that is leaving the worst of the bunch in charge. The reason it fell under the weight of a five-hour plot is because Russel T. Davis wrote the ending first, the whole mini-series was a made for the sole purpose of getting Jack to kill his grandson. I do not understand why if Jack does return, Davis expects anyone to have any sympathy or tolerance for the character.

And people barely revolted. The kind of social upheaval that would result from Governments stealing 10% of all of their children wouldn't just stop after the danger passed. That is the kind of thing that would topple whole civilizations.

P.S. Get your ass back in game.

[Maxxthepenguin]

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But at least it would get rid of that sickening straight relationship, amirite?

I know a lot of 100% straight guys who would say that tbh. Generally they're talking about double teaming. As long as the dicks dont touch, it's straight.

I don't know about that. We weren't shown and they probably didn't even write the aftermath, but that doesn't mean it's unwritable. I could see them easily fixing that. I don't know if it was written completely so that it was about Jack sacrificing his own grandson, but it was definitely written to put him through major emotional stress in general.

The government was sneaky about it. The people, in general, didn't know about it and, besides, a proper revolt generally takes more than 24 hours to prepare. Most people are afraid to go against the men with guns alone, no matter how despicable those men might be.

P.S. I don't think I could handle living under the iron fist of Kuno.

[Julian]

So I just started watching Torchwood like 3 days ago, and already finished watching all of it.

I love this show And I love Jack, and all the gayness in this show lol

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Ianto noooooooooooooo; ;

I guess since I liked this I should start watching Dr Who next? >.> Can't wait for next, hopefully a real season I kinda enjoyed that short mini-season3, but, it was just action action action. This show kind of reminds me of Supernatural. You had all of the filler "hunting" episodes. I thought most Torchwood episodes really similar to the "hunting" episodes, it would always be something different, and they developed everyone's character really well, imo. Mini-season3 lacked that, not like they could have done much since

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half the cast was already dead anyway

[Laugana]

I'd recommend watching all of the new Dr. Who stuff except for the last special, that was pants. When I say new, I mean the last few years, unless you really want to watch dodgy English tv from 30+ years ago. Some people really liked it, but I never got into it, except for the 80's-90's version from when I was growing up.

Regardless, you'll get the added bonus of more Captain Jack!

[Siniroth]

I'd recommend watching all of the new Dr. Who stuff except for the last special, that was pants. When I say new, I mean the last few years, unless you really want to watch dodgy English tv from 30+ years ago. Some people really liked it, but I never got into it, except for the 80's-90's version from when I was growing up.

Regardless, you'll get the added bonus of more Captain Jack!

What? the last special was good! Not their best work (that was Silence in the Library episodes, or Turn Left + the two after) but not bad D:!

And yes watch Doctor Who!

[Qalbert]

their best work (that was Silence in the Library episodes, or Turn Left + the two after)
And yes watch Doctor Who!

QFMFT

[Qalbert]

the fuck is this shit
http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.co...new-world.html

Starz' "Torchwood" reboot will be titled "Torchwood: The New World" and creator Russell T Davies gave some insight into the storyline.

The new story will follow a CIA agent (Rex) and analyst (Ester) who tackle an alien-related global issue. Torchwood, having been destroyed and disbanded, is "like a legend now ... it's like something that's ceased to exist and is now spoken of only in whispers." Soon, Rex and Ester are on the run and are seeking out the help of Captain Jack and Gwen.

"The two teams coming together is a big part of the story -- are they friends or enemies? There's a lot of sparks and excitement."


"We definitely have a really big story to tell," added executive producer Julie Gardner. "It's absolutely rebooted to welcome in a new audience."

(Hear that "reboot" haters? She said "reboot." Reboot! Reboot!).

The ten episodes will be very fast paced, telling a self-contained story with the miniseries "Children of Earth" being used as a template.

Being on Starz, the show could potentially take advantage of looser standards for nudity and violence.

"I've always had loose standards and practices," Davies said. "If the story demands intimacy or savagery, we will go there absolutely ... [but] there's nothing better than a great big global thriller that stops for a sex scene -- it's probably hard to make that happen in a thriller."

[Kuya]

Is this the new 4th season they were referring to?

[Qalbert]

yeah, only now it's a reboot? idk
I hope reboot doesn't mean disregarding all the stuff before it, but idk for sure

[Kuya]

A reboot? This is the first time i hear that it's a reboot. They better not change the style of the show.

[Bwelch]

This doesn't sound so bad, but I bet the CIA agents/analyst will be Americans with American accents.

This link gives a bit more information

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...re-global.html