Whats Better? II

[Nerull]

eh... I don't bother with goliard hands. With good gear/merits, you shouldn't be having much accuracy issues on standard stuff, so Vicious Mufflers are fine, and on hnms I'd rather be using Genie Gages so... no real need for the middle-of-the-road role that Goliard fills.

[Wolfknight]

I was talking to a friend about 5 polearms and which they thought was better to use for 75 Drg. Not mentioning Mythic or relic polearm... and not Valkyrie fork but I guess we could add it cause it was part of our conversation.

Zaide - lvl72 Dmg93 Deley478 Attack +8, Enchances "Beast Killer" effect vs, Beasts: Critical hit rate 7%

Mezraq - lvl75 Dmg93 Deley492 Str+2 Vit+2 Additional Effect: Impairs Evasion

Thalassocrat - lvl75 Dmg94 Deley 492 Hp+10 Dex+2 Vit+2 Enhances" Resist Virus" effect additional effect: Impairs Evasion

Valkyrie's Fork - lvl75 Dmg95 Deley492 double att+3% Store Tp+3

Skystrider - lvl 69 Dmg93 Deley492 Jump tp bonus+5Tp Set: Increases Str+6, Attack+6, Rng Attack+6(cause drg have need for it -.-) Magic attack bonus+2" keep in mind you need the Supermacy Earring


I thought Zaide was one of my top choices, I mean the deley is lower and adds a high amount of attack, plus when fighting beast you benefit also. Whats not to like. I think the Mezraq to me was better in my eyes than the thalassocrat. But its one of the things you kinda say its what you prefer Dex or Str. But adding that resist Virus thing is a joke and hp+10... I dont see how hp+10 will help me in the long run. If I solo and get down to 10hp maybe I shouldn't be soloing that mob. Thats the way I see it.

Now we have skystrider I like it but it takes a earring slot away. I marco a lot of stuff, one of them being is my earrings. That would mean I lose the stats for that time frame and meh... you guys get the picture. Again I like it but just not my cup of tea.

Last but not least, Valkyrie Fork I think it looks cool. Would I get? sure just to have it, I would use it if I sub melee job, perhaps also mage job, I dont have it yet so I really cant say anything yet. But I think its built more for /melee sub. Double att 3% sure great. I am short 2 35 pieces from ares full set, most of my armor is double attack +% which is more than enough to make me happy. The Tp+3 sure is nice but i play drg/mage more than drg/melee so my job is to make sure people dont die myself included, not to worry who can I out phase and when is my WS ready. I wont lose it if i cant get +3tp. On the other hand dmg 95 is nice . Thats all I had to say about that.

I would like to get your guys input on this. Help clear my mind on it. Even though what I said about the other weapons is what I think about them i'm sure im missing out on some of the good things they have to offer.

I like:
Zaide and Valkyrie fork the others are kinda meh. But I have been wrong before. Thanks for you input guys.

Well it depends what body piece is available for zaide/cletine[both lower delay] vs thal/mezraq/skystrider, if you have aurum cuirass[or white tathulm] + rajas/brutal on /sam for 6-hit while thal/mez/skystrider can make do with askar body rajas, and V fork only needs rajas askar body[or white tathulm], if neither or mage sub I'd rate:
V. Fork > Thal +1 > Cletine/Zaide > skystrider[DD sub] > thal > mez > skystrider[mage sub cause no ethereal sucks], personally I use cletine on /mage and thal atm on /sam I rarely use other subs. I don't have Zaide, V. fork, HQ thal, or Skystrider + earring. Also I'd rate thal/mez above skystrider if you have an Hollow/ACP copy[2 dex/3 acc] earr since then combo loses a lot of value.
On /sam one you can get 6-hit with is best choice if possible but once aurum + rajas I'd say same ranking I am not sure on Zaide vs Cletine still since 3% crit 5 vit vs 2 dmg 8 att is bit tough to call since spamming crit based ws. Even with Aurum body though I'd still take V fork as top polearm.

[Aero]

Looking to turn into a KC RNG. Im just wondering what kind of ACC I should be aiming for. This will be for XP/Limbus/Dyna etc.

I am trying to decide whats better:
FFXIGEAR.com
or
FFXIGEAR.com

If there is any piece Im overlooking, let me know.

[stewie]

/DRG set will be better, if you can, try and snag hachiryu kote.

[Argettio]

Looking to turn into a KC RNG. Im just wondering what kind of ACC I should be aiming for. This will be for XP/Limbus/Dyna etc.

I am trying to decide whats better:
FFXIGEAR.com
or
FFXIGEAR.com

If there is any piece Im overlooking, let me know.

If you are considering /DRG (so willing to give up on the protection of shadows) you should also consider /WAR and /SAM.

As nin offers nothing except shadows when you have a KC.

If you need shadows then you will have to sub NIN no matter how much better any other sub is.

If you can forgo shadows and want a sub to improve your performance then I doubt nin would be on the list.

So you are comparing Apples and oranges, 1 sub to improve performance, 1 sub to improve survivability. The performance sub will win if you can stay alive. So the question you need to ask yourself is "Do I need shadows?", if yes then sub NIN else look into DRG, SAM or WAR.

TP feeding caveat: As I am sure you are aware, KC rng is pretty situational as it can feed an insane amount of TP and make some mobs 'unfightable'.

[Belkin]

I can't really think of anything that a KC RNG would be good against. All the things HNM LS's use RNG for are things that its kind of dangerous or a hassle to melee in the first place. Khimaira, Odin, and Ixion come to mind. RNG is also good for Cerberus and Jailer of Love, but I don't think a Kraken Club would be too ideal on those mobs. Dynamis Xarcabard would be crap, you would hit those demons for 0 most of the time I'd think. And in zerg situations, you shouldn't need a Kraken Club anyway. Most RNG's can't get through their whole progression anyway. Sidewinder > Barrage > Sidewinder > Eagle Eye Shot > Meditate > Shot > Sidewinder and things are pretty much dead.

Meriting? I'd suggest leveling WAR, SAM or DRG

Unless you have DRK and a Kraken Club already, I wouldn't bother.


Edit:

If you are dead set on a KC RNG build, the first set is the way to go. Although you could use a different shield, you already have 25% Haste without it. Not sure what is available for you to use, however.

[Yugl]

I was talking to a friend about 5 polearms and which they thought was better to use for 75 Drg. Not mentioning Mythic or relic polearm... and not Valkyrie fork but I guess we could add it cause it was part of our conversation.

Zaide - lvl72 Dmg93 Deley478 Attack +8, Enchances "Beast Killer" effect vs, Beasts: Critical hit rate 7%

Mezraq - lvl75 Dmg93 Deley492 Str+2 Vit+2 Additional Effect: Impairs Evasion

Thalassocrat - lvl75 Dmg94 Deley 492 Hp+10 Dex+2 Vit+2 Enhances" Resist Virus" effect additional effect: Impairs Evasion

Valkyrie's Fork - lvl75 Dmg95 Deley492 double att+3% Store Tp+3

Skystrider - lvl 69 Dmg93 Deley492 Jump tp bonus+5Tp Set: Increases Str+6, Attack+6, Rng Attack+6(cause drg have need for it -.-) Magic attack bonus+2" keep in mind you need the Supermacy Earring


I thought Zaide was one of my top choices, I mean the deley is lower and adds a high amount of attack, plus when fighting beast you benefit also. Whats not to like. I think the Mezraq to me was better in my eyes than the thalassocrat. But its one of the things you kinda say its what you prefer Dex or Str. But adding that resist Virus thing is a joke and hp+10... I dont see how hp+10 will help me in the long run. If I solo and get down to 10hp maybe I shouldn't be soloing that mob. Thats the way I see it.

Now we have skystrider I like it but it takes a earring slot away. I marco a lot of stuff, one of them being is my earrings. That would mean I lose the stats for that time frame and meh... you guys get the picture. Again I like it but just not my cup of tea.

Last but not least, Valkyrie Fork I think it looks cool. Would I get? sure just to have it, I would use it if I sub melee job, perhaps also mage job, I dont have it yet so I really cant say anything yet. But I think its built more for /melee sub. Double att 3% sure great. I am short 2 35 pieces from ares full set, most of my armor is double attack +% which is more than enough to make me happy. The Tp+3 sure is nice but i play drg/mage more than drg/melee so my job is to make sure people dont die myself included, not to worry who can I out phase and when is my WS ready. I wont lose it if i cant get +3tp. On the other hand dmg 95 is nice . Thats all I had to say about that.

I would like to get your guys input on this. Help clear my mind on it. Even though what I said about the other weapons is what I think about them i'm sure im missing out on some of the good things they have to offer.

I like:
Zaide and Valkyrie fork the others are kinda meh. But I have been wrong before. Thanks for you input guys.

Vork > Skystrider with Earring > Thalasso > Skystrider w/o Earring = Zaide > Others.

[Thunder]

Looking to turn into a KC RNG. Im just wondering what kind of ACC I should be aiming for. This will be for XP/Limbus/Dyna etc.

I am trying to decide whats better:
FFXIGEAR.com
or
FFXIGEAR.com

If there is any piece Im overlooking, let me know.

Diabolos's Earring and Hollow earring; but I guess you'll have to try for ACP7's Spinel earring with 2dex 3acc augmented onto it.

[Killkenny]

Looking to turn into a KC RNG. Im just wondering what kind of ACC I should be aiming for. This will be for XP/Limbus/Dyna etc.

I am trying to decide whats better:
FFXIGEAR.com
or
FFXIGEAR.com

If there is any piece Im overlooking, let me know.

Sub /war, thorny did the maths and proved that berserk was going to make it superior to /drg even with the double attack and less haste. Your sets look fine, prioritising haste everywhere you can then stack accuracy everywhere else. You may want to look into getting diabolos and accuracy earring.

Unless all you ever do is fight khim/cerb/odin/ixion then ignore posts regarding it never being useful. It has its place in einherjar, some limbus paths, general sky and sea farming, merits and other similar level stuff. When geared right it can put rng as one of the top DDs in most situations whereas without rng is limited to things like ixion and odin because it falls so short of other DDs.

[Vodou]

Looking to turn into a KC RNG. Im just wondering what kind of ACC I should be aiming for. This will be for XP/Limbus/Dyna etc.

I am trying to decide whats better:
FFXIGEAR.com
or
FFXIGEAR.com

If there is any piece Im overlooking, let me know.

There were a couple threads a very short time ago in BG about this. ("KC rng build" or "Kraken ranger" or some such titles. Too lazy to look for it myself since I have the links saved on another one of my pcs.) People who have actually used it posted and were quite positive on its uses including results, builds, places to use (not use), discussions of zergs, etc. Dynamis was one of the areas it does seem to get very good results.

Haven't tried it myself, but I plan to. Obviously, as all things, to be used only in appropriate places.

[Argettio]

For the record, I didn't say it was useless, I said it was situational.

Where you can get away with it, depends on your shell.

Having Ultima spam Citadel Buster in a low man group could lead to a very fast wipe.

Whereas in a larger group with lots of DD already feeding TP the amount the KC will add isn't really noticeable or problematic.

[eva00r]

Zaide > Thallasso in term of damage, and if you don't need the random -evasion effect.

[Killkenny]

Having Ultima spam Citadel Buster in a low man group could lead to a very fast wipe.

My bet would be you've never fought ultima as your comment makes no sense.

The original post our posts have been based on specifically stated he wanted to use K club rng for events such as merits limbus and dynamis, I would have thought common sense suggests limbus in that context would mean farming runs and not omega or ultima (or he would have specifically stated them). In all of those situations and with the addition of sky/sea farming and einherjar, K club has plenty of use on rng.

Things like khim and ixion depend on what your ls is capable of, some LSs DD tank khim/cerb and can leave them on full time for faster kills. Obviously you aren't going to want K club on khim but the only trouble it would cause on cerb is faster use of stoneskin, there seems to be an overgeneralisation of how each of these fights should be done when the skill/gear gap between different linkshells is so huge.

[Callisto]

Last I checked CB was on a timer anyways...

[Killkenny]

Last I checked CB was on a timer anyways...

Which is exactly why I said his comment made no sense.

[Argettio]

My bet would be you've never fought ultima as your comment makes no sense.

My comment was based on my limbus group leader talking about her previous shell (which had a KC rng). I didnt know it was on a timer (neither does she obviously).

So I will be quiet now.

[Eldelphia]

Trying to prioritise ampoules items as I'm over halfway to my second (first was Morgana's choker). Have WHM, BLM, RDM, SCH, BRD, SMN and COR is 65 (in case like me, you don't see sigs).

Relevant Merits
8/8 Ele
6/8 Enf
2/8 Enh
3/5 INT

Relevant Gear
Nuking Redingote
Ele/Enf torques
5/5 BLM relic and 4/5 BLM AF+1
WHM AF+1 Body/Head/Legs
Merciful Cape
5/5 Nashira
5/5 Goliard
5/5 Yigit
Igqira Head/Legs
Tamas
Balrahn's
Snow/Aqua
Argute Bracers/Body/Legs
SCH AF+1 Mortarboard

RDM is my most recent job and prolly least used. WHM and BLM are both used heavily with SCH and BRD used situationally. I have no Morrigans (yet) as we've just spent a year in Nzyul. Obviously omega is nice for BRD. Am I nuts in thinking Omega is highly situational for me for anything but BRD considering the above? I'm happy to accept I am.

I suppose I'm wondering about 4 Macc (Balrahns) v 5 INT/MND (Snow or Aqua) v 3 Macc+3 INT/MND (Omega) for enfeebling and resist sets.

[Callisto]

Omega + Tamas 4life for me, I went ahead and sacrificed the 2 INT/MND for an extra bit of MAcc and 2 more inventory spaces, and I have no complaints about it at all. Balrahn's + Omega is really nice on BRD too. BLM you'd still want your Snow Ring for max damage, but I really like Omega.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Omega Ring > Aslan Cape > Gleemans Cape > Delta Earring.

[eva00r]

Show me Best Hume with 8/8 HP merit convert gear please.