Whats Better? II

[FailureMidgard]

Please tell how you're going to cap acc with polearm at birds, w/o giving any haste, cause even with getting madrigal/march still was only in 80%s don't remember exact % been few months since did that merit pt.

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That's my setup, 3 accuracy past cap with a swift belt, so if I had a V Belt, I'd still be sitting at cap with 0 merits in Pole. I actually have 4 merits in pole and nearly fulltime Hasso, so I'm past cap, and should probably drop Cuch for Forager's/etc.

Also, I'm saying Usu head is bad as a player that has 5/5 Usu, I truly don't think it has much use outside of a /dnc or lowman semi eva setup on sam.

Songs are always either march/march/drk/cor, or march/march/minuet/minuet, depending if its 2xbrd or brd+cor.

Are you suggesting spamming sushi on birds?

Yes. For every 2h DD, your first goal should be "How can I cap accuracy without sacrificing any haste?". Your second goal should be "Now how can I gain attk/str/etc without sacrificing haste or capped accuracy?"

[ringthree]

For a fully meritted thf with meat build using Dancing Edge...

Soil Gorget vs Breeze Gorget?

And..

<above winner> vs. Love Torque?

From what I know, Hyriu is correct about the gorget question. As for Love Torque, it will depend on your accuracy, and what you are fighting, and I am not incredibly well versed on the direct impact of DEX on SA damage (which I will assume you are using in this case) vs. the improvement to damage from the gorget, but I would think that on more evasive mobs the gorgets will be better from what little we know about about gorgets effect on multi-hit WS accuracy.

[dantaro]

75 Pup Looking to boost Stringing Pummel Trying to pick between Puppetry Babouches +1 vs Usukane Sune-Ate My ws build has +61 acc not counting feet and 70+26 dex. I have 8 H2H merits and just trying to max it out but even the parses are pretty close atm.

AF+1 feet, this isn't a question. The loss of 2 acc should not make or break your WS, but Stringing Pummel has a 40% STR mod, which will outweigh the 7 attack from Usukane Sune-Ate.

[Callisto]

From what I know, Hyriu is correct about the gorget question. As for Love Torque, it will depend on your accuracy, and what you are fighting, and I am not incredibly well versed on the direct impact of DEX on SA damage (which I will assume you are using in this case) vs. the improvement to damage from the gorget, but I would think that on more evasive mobs the gorgets will be better from what little we know about about gorgets effect on multi-hit WS accuracy.

The rest of their WS set would have to be taken into account but I'm pretty sure the 5 base D on the first hit would be a bigger increase than the minor fTP boost on the first hit in terms of pure damage, and at worst you'd be looking at 9~ Acc/7 Attack for the subsequent hits, even without SA I think that would lean towards the Torque, but again that would depend on the rest of their set/buffs/target, shit, situational, and so on.

[Zelduh]

Dantaro are you still selling those Tabin Boots +1? >_>

[Drex]

Are you suggesting spamming sushi on birds?

Crab sushi is 5-6k/stack and will outperform mithkabobs assuming no madrigal/hunter's roll for polearm, si

[Tyroch]

Doing a setup for sneak attack + cannonball. choice #1 is Kogglemander + genbu's shield for +4 STR and roughly 40 defense with buffs or Vulcan's staff and Axe grip for +8 STR.

[Zelduh]

Doing a setup for sneak attack + cannonball. choice #1 is Kogglemander + genbu's shield for +4 STR and roughly 40 defense with buffs or Vulcan's staff and Axe grip for +8 STR.

Acheron's Shield (+1) is technically better than genbu's for that, but yeah

[dantaro]

Dantaro are you still selling those Tabin Boots +1? >_>

Sold those ages ago, like, when I needed gil for my Blessed Legs +1, I need another pair though, to cover me till Temenos stops being a bitch and I can start salvage again for Usu. Enkidu would work too. Either way those are long gone <,<;;;

[Zelduh]

Sold those ages ago, like, when I needed gil for my Blessed Legs +1, I need another pair though, to cover me till Temenos stops being a bitch and I can start salvage again for Usu. Enkidu would work too. Either way those are long gone <,<;;;

I could have sworn I saw you shouting in whitegate the other day selling those, and I was going to buy them from you but I didn't have enough gil at the time... Unless you're another Dantaro, or I'm going crazy and it was just someone with a similar name.

[dantaro]

I could have sworn I saw you shouting in whitegate the other day selling those, and I was going to buy them from you but I didn't have enough gil at the time... Unless you're another Dantaro, or I'm going crazy and it was just someone with a similar name.

Nah, I was shouting to buy them, not sell

[Skeelo]

Doing a setup for sneak attack + cannonball. choice #1 is Kogglemander + genbu's shield for +4 STR and roughly 40 defense with buffs or Vulcan's staff and Axe grip for +8 STR.

Not sure if this is still true or not, but i heard brave grip for cannonball is pretty decent. Granted its stacked with SA (which normally it is). I'm no blu mage, but just the word on the street.

[Zelduh]

Nah, I was shouting to buy them, not sell

Oh, lol

[Wolfknight]

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That's my setup, 3 accuracy past cap with a swift belt, so if I had a V Belt, I'd still be sitting at cap with 0 merits in Pole. I actually have 4 merits in pole and nearly fulltime Hasso, so I'm past cap, and should probably drop Cuch for Forager's/etc.

Also, I'm saying Usu head is bad as a player that has 5/5 Usu, I truly don't think it has much use outside of a /dnc or lowman semi eva setup on sam.

Songs are always either march/march/drk/cor, or march/march/minuet/minuet, depending if its 2xbrd or brd+cor.



Yes. For every 2h DD, your first goal should be "How can I cap accuracy without sacrificing any haste?". Your second goal should be "Now how can I gain attk/str/etc without sacrificing haste or capped accuracy?"

I disagree that logic works for sam since it's so ws heavy but other jobs melee DoT is much larger and not something to just ignore for increased ws rate and I'd much rather give up haste than food in most cases, but that's me personally. And not everything in this game as evasion of a colibiri.

Not sure if this is still true or not, but i heard brave grip for cannonball is pretty decent. Granted its stacked with SA (which normally it is). I'm no blu mage, but just the word on the street.

Yea vulcan/fire + brave is best but varies per mob/buffs if beats koggel/sheild.

[Tyroch]

I even have a brave grip rotting in my storage. I don't why I didn't think of using that.

[FailureMidgard]

I disagree that logic works for sam since it's so ws heavy but other jobs melee DoT is much larger and not something to just ignore for increased ws rate and I'd much rather give up haste than food in most cases, but that's me personally. And not everything in this game as evasion of a colibiri.

First off, wtf @ the evasion of a colibri? We're talking about a B- skill on a samurai that is only useful vs piercing vulnerable mobs. May I ask what piercing vulnerable mobs you are fighting that have significantly more evasion than a Colibri? (And if you are fighting them, why you wouldn't use a real sushi instead of crab?) If you want to look at any 2h DD with 8/8 combat merits and an A+ weapon, they gain over 45 more accuracy vs what I have listed.
In any case, my statement that your first goal is to cap accuracy without sacrificing any haste is still true. There are maybe a very few # of mobs that you cannot do this on (Chigoes in Einherjar come to mind), in which case it is generally a good idea to start sacrificing haste for accuracy. HOWEVER, the number of times that this comes up are few and far between. Also, please don't bring up HNM, as any half decent melee DD on HNM is capped on hate, making it pretty pointless to even care to try to optimize.

As for your opinion of food vs haste, well, you are allowed to have an opinion, but it is incorrect most the time. If somehow you are exactly 7accuracy off capping with accuracy everywhere else you can get it, then an Ace's beats a Turban. But chances are you can get your accuracy elsewhere.

If you want some math:

Coeurl Sub is +75attk, +5str.

So lets start with a base Attack value. My Example Sam there is sitting at ~400 with a single minuet, ~500 with berserk during TP phase, and significantly higher during WS. So, ~450 is a pretty low end/safe average.
+75/450 = 17% increase in damage, at absolute best.

But what are you giving up to get that?
Let's say you switch out WTurban and pick up an Ace's
Drop Dusk Gloves, pick up Usukane.
Losing 4% haste is going from 54>50 haste, or 2.174>2 attack rate, or you're giving up a potential 8.7% increase in damage.
But then you're also not accuracy capped now. With 0 merits, you're at 380accuracy, leaving you ~27 accuracy short of cap, or 13.5% hit rate, meaning you're giving up a 16.5% increase in potential damage.

Really, I'm not even sure why you constantly post this shit. The math has been done at least 4-5 times now, attack is not a good stat for any 2h DD. Haste and Accuracy to cap are always better. Is sushi worth using always? Obviously not, but Pizza will almost always win if you are just a bit under accuracy cap (especially if it lets you keep W Turban, or use a Blitz ring on non-sam jobs), and if you are using a B- skill on birds, you definitely need sushi or a madrigal if you want to be optimizing your damage. Sacrificing haste to use meat is just plain dumb.

[SephYuyX]

Title needs to be changed to "What's Betterer", just sayin.

[Rocl]

"What Not to Wear?" is also an apt title

[BerenTebogo]

Doing a setup for sneak attack + cannonball. choice #1 is Kogglemander + genbu's shield for +4 STR and roughly 40 defense with buffs or Vulcan's staff and Axe grip for +8 STR.

Brave grip > 3 STR imo

[noodles355]

Yes. For every 2h DD, your first goal should be "How can I cap accuracy without sacrificing any haste?". Your second goal should be "Now how can I gain attk/str/etc without sacrificing haste or capped accuracy?"

Is capped accuracy "in" this season? Focusing on Haste and Acc and completely ignoring attack/str in TP is stupid. You shouldn't purely focus on WS rate, you should also look at the damage you do in your TP phase. (Different for Sam etc etc sure).

Capped Acc is good, but not if you're sacrificing a lot of attack. There will be times where sitting at 85% Acc and using meat will outdo having 95% acc using sushi and the same gear.
And yes pizza is good, but if your hit rate is sitting around 85-90, I have a hard time believing the 20acc will make up for the 80-90 attack you could get from using red curry (with proper brd/cor buffs) (if you use a multi-hit WS like Drakes, Guillo or RR/KJ).