Gungnir: Additional Effect

[kites]

I've always wondered how often the defense down procs on regular IT mobs and HNMS. Anyone with a gungnir able to give me some insight? Thanks!

[ringthree]

I've always wondered how often the defense down procs on regular IT mobs and HNMS. Anyone with a gungnir able to give me some insight? Thanks!

From what I have seen it's about as often as the procs on Mezraq and Thallasocrat.

Qtipus from Odin has one and posts here sometimes, he would be able to give you better information.

[Drace]

Additional effects proc at a very similar rate on relic weapons from what I have seen, and it should be around 10%.

[Therin]

Additional effects proc at a very similar rate on relic weapons from what I have seen, and it should be around 10%.

This is correct.

[Foldypaws]

Any info on typical durations?

Also, can it overwrite itself? (I think the eva down on mezraq can, IIRC)

[BerenTebogo]

I found relic proc to be around 5% but then again I guess because once Para2 is on Para2 isn't going to proc again.

Same with all effects really. Needs more comprehensive testing imo - 10% seems high.

[Drace]

Just going on eyeballing (yes I know that sucks) with 1 year of Amano, I would easily say 8-12% proc rate regardless of mob, druation iirc would be in the 3+ minute range, possibly more. 5% seems extremely low imo. I would like to say I will go out and test it, but the sample size needed to get a solid answer would take more time than I really want to spend on it x_x

Also Sath, when speaking of the Para proc on Kikoku, are you eyeballing 5% off of main hand only, or getting that off of 1 round of attacks? Also you already mentioned the proc not happening because of spell etc/pre-existing para, I know with Amano I have seen back to back Attack down procs dozens of times (so yes it will overwrite) so I don't know if Kikoku would be a good representation of relic procs in general.

[noodles355]

Am I right in thinking it doesn't stack with Angon, and the stronger (20% compared to 17%) Angon can't overwrite it?

Maybe SE could fix that if it's true
In fact, whilst they're at it, make Spirit Surge's 25% Haste "Other" and not "Magic". If you got SV marches/haste in a zerg, you get no haste from SS D:

[BerenTebogo]

Just going on eyeballing (yes I know that sucks) with 1 year of Amano, I would easily say 8-12% proc rate regardless of mob, druation iirc would be in the 3+ minute range, possibly more. 5% seems extremely low imo. I would like to say I will go out and test it, but the sample size needed to get a solid answer would take more time than I really want to spend on it x_x

Also Sath, when speaking of the Para proc on Kikoku, are you eyeballing 5% off of main hand only, or getting that off of 1 round of attacks? Also you already mentioned the proc not happening because of spell etc/pre-existing para, I know with Amano I have seen back to back Attack down procs dozens of times (so yes it will overwrite) so I don't know if Kikoku would be a good representation of relic procs in general.

Kikoku wont overwrite itself so that could be a large part of the problem and lead to me feeling 5% is more realistic.

[Hosom]

Since you brought up Kikoku, Sath, how potent is the Paralyze on it?

[kites]

So it actually procs on the higher lvl stuff? like Khim Cerb etc. That would be really nice! It's just weird because when I play rng acid bolts never proc on these NMs, which would rock! Although attack down does proc often with demon arrows. I always found that to be weird.

I'td be amazing to see how fast these big mobs go down with gungnir's defense down+ Metratron Torment's defense down stacked together!

[Yugl]

Am I right in thinking it doesn't stack with Angon, and the stronger (20% compared to 17%) Angon can't overwrite it?

Maybe SE could fix that if it's true
In fact, whilst they're at it, make Spirit Surge's 25% Haste "Other" and not "Magic". If you got SV marches/haste in a zerg, you get no haste from SS D:

This is correct. Make sure to use Angon if you want "real" DEF down.

[AoshiZ]

They (Angon and Gungnir Proc) overwrite each other. Proc rate would be about 10% on IT mobs. It's wind based debuff so it will never proc on wind immune/absorb mobs such as Puks.

Addition:
It procs alot more than Thallasocrat and Mezraq.
It also overwrites itself to extend the duration.

[Drace]

So it actually procs on the higher lvl stuff? like Khim Cerb etc. That would be really nice! It's just weird because when I play rng acid bolts never proc on these NMs, which would rock! Although attack down does proc often with demon arrows. I always found that to be weird.

I'td be amazing to see how fast these big mobs go down with gungnir's defense down+ Metratron Torment's defense down stacked together!

Yes, while you will obviously have fewer overall hits on HNM, from what I have seen the proc rate is consistent - this is also the main reason you hear about Excal PLDs wiping the floor compared to other DDs on certain HNMs

[TheTaru]

Kikoku wont overwrite itself

Obviously you have much more experience than I do, but are you sure about this? I've watched a Kikoku ninja soloing a few things, and it seemed to proc a lot more than it should have (if it doesn't overwrite). He doesn't speak English at all really, but I guess I could ask him.

[Casey_]

I wonder if they'll ever buff the relics like they said they would, increasing the 17% def down to 20% or just plain letting it stack with angon/acids would be a great boost, even if they didn't touch the rest of the thing.

[BerenTebogo]

Obviously you have much more experience than I do, but are you sure about this? I've watched a Kikoku ninja soloing a few things, and it seemed to proc a lot more than it should have (if it doesn't overwrite). He doesn't speak English at all really, but I guess I could ask him.

I'm positive it won't overwrite itself. Potency is like the spell, random as hell.

Kikoku para works like this "assume this is a real situation:"

Pull mob -> hojo -> slowed -> kura -> blinded -> jubaku -> para'd -> swing a few times -> para proc -> fuck! -> re-jubaku (no effect!) -> fuck -> proceed to wait indeterminate duration where you either get really good procs or nothing -> jubaku -> swing a few times -> proc again.

I prefer jubaku over the para proc but nothing you can do about it besides never buying jubaku again. It will overwrite full skill and full potency paralyze 1 spell. Paralyze 2 will overwrite.

[anathema]

iirc playing a friend's kikoku, the paralyze potency was pathetic. like sub paralyze 1... but the add effect itself did proc frequently.

[TheTaru]

I'm positive it won't overwrite itself. Potency is like the spell, random as hell.

Kikoku para works like this "assume this is a real situation:"

Pull mob -> hojo -> slowed -> kura -> blinded -> jubaku -> para'd -> swing a few times -> para proc -> fuck! -> re-jubaku (no effect!) -> fuck -> proceed to wait indeterminate duration where you either get really good procs or nothing -> jubaku -> swing a few times -> proc again.

Thanks a lot for clearing that up =o I was so sure it overwrote itself. Having random potency is strange too, since I'm pretty sure all the other en-(status effect) relics have static potency. Again, thanks for answering; I'm glad someone can actually give info on Kikoku.

[Ayn]

Curious, but how much is the Amano's attack down effect, and is it at all noticeable to tanks in those big fights? Or SAMs in small-man situations?