[Hades]Grieverao

[Iced]

Then he should have had 2-3 jobs instead of playing a fuckin video game. That excuse doesn't fly. If he is behind on his mortgage, then he knew of that well in advance and didn't do everything in his power to prevent it because he was playing FFXI instead of finding another stable mean of income.

Really? Seriously, I don't think anyone that knows his situation didn't make him aware of this fact. Maybe it took going into the hole for him to realize it, you never know, sometimes it takes great adversity in someone life to wake up and realize where their priorities should be.

Him selling this account isn't going to turn his life or situation around. At most, all he did was prolong the enevitable by a couple months. He should have been a real adult and provided for his family in a proper, intelligent way instead of screwing over dozens of loyal LS members.

Him selling his account might not turn his life situation around, but selling it is much better at this point then being homeless with his relic account intact.

How did he screw over his LS members again? Because I still haven't seen any proof that he actually did steal anything from them. Once again, until there is proof given, there is no need for this warning. If there is ever any proof, then I will call him out once again on his bullshit decisions, until then, I choose not to persecute someone for something the might not have done.

He doesn't deserve to bounce back from his financial crisis. I hope he loses everything. Karma is a fat, ugly bitch and I hope she's on her period when she meets Grieverao.

Everyone deserves a second chance, especially if their only crime is to mildly effect someones game play. Oh noes, what will Deathhouse do without their co-leader.

And just so you know, I believe Karma has already shit on his head for the decisions he has made. He is doing all he can for the sake of his family, but I guess that is a bad thing right?

P.S. Aks, I know Stan hasn't sold his account, my point was once he achieved what he set out to(his multiple relics) he left the game for WoW. Now if your going to call out Griev for that, you must point the finger back to your old LS leader for doing the same thing. Only thing different is Griev is selling account and Stan hasn't, yet.

Stan knows my opinion of him, I told it to him every time we talked, its not like its a big secret.

[Ksandra]

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that's why I said "if", we have some in here saying the ls bank wasn't stolen.

I also don't consider relics LS property.

[Diabolic Peach]

Answer this oh great people flaming him here. If you needed $$$ for you family, wouldn't you do everything in your power to make sure you got it? Thats all he is doing, now until you provide proof of him stealing anything, this shit is beyond done.

I would have stopped playing a long ass time ago, gotten a real job or two to take care of those kids and not let it get to the point where he had to sell fantasy / imaginary pixels / not real item to take care of said family.

I'm glad he finally woke up and realized that his RL had to come first... too bad it came at the expense of countless numbers of people that followed him and trusted him with their time and energy.

As for the Lawnmower joke... in case you couldn't tell, mine was a "joke" as well... I mean seriously... would anyone really be dumb enough to sell something from the internets only to turn around and buy a flaming lawnmower over actually using that money to take care of said problems he was having in RL? Hmmm, didnt think so.

[Ratatapa]

you can be surprise of some people lol

[Milkster]

P.S. Aks, I know Stan hasn't sold his account, my point was once he achieved what he set out to(his multiple relics) he left the game for WoW. Now if your going to call out Griev for that, you must point the finger back to your old LS leader for doing the same thing. Only thing different is Griev is selling account and Stan hasn't, yet.

Stan knows my opinion of him, I told it to him every time we talked, its not like its a big secret.

I don't understand how you can compare Stanislav to this Grieverao guy. Does Stanislav still have his account? Has Excellence had to repearl? Have members been fucked over and lost a linkshell bank and pop items? You say he made the right decision by selling his account to support his family. If his situation was that dire and he did nothing before this, then everything that happens from this point on is his fault.

[richardd]

But idk, i have no right to judge someone based on a story with no evidence. i hope everything works out, regardless of what happened.

i still agree with what i said. but..

even if the story has no evidence, its just a little too convenient how he got a hold of the pops. but i haven't been on hades in years, so fill me in. does anyone know this IRL friend of his, who stays with him in the house? his character name? i dont lol. so i have no right to criticize the situation. But in all fairness, i think i can jump to my own conclusions. Griev is older than all of us. he has a family. If i was in the situation he was in, i wouldve done everything i could do to maintain the household including selling an FFXI account. (more than 50% of those get recalled anyway) but i would also have passed the pops to someone trustworthy. idk, thats just me.

and it does sound like something stan did when he was like 17 lol. but, he did end up growing up, and he's actually a cool guy now. anyone can change like cic said. And the way i grew up, i was prepared for the worst 1-2 months ahead of time. If i knew i was going to be homeless because a room mate was about to lose his job and had no money saved. I packed all my shit that week, and didnt wait for the notice. I'd make a call to everyone on my cellphone and get my shit done by any means necessary lol. Mortgages are easier on notices than they are on rent (at least in FL). if you're behind, you'll have plenty of time to make up for it. And they can work with you. Im only 22, and ive been faced with similar problems a couple times in my life already, but now i can handle it. Griev is older than me and should be more mature and control about the situation. But in his case. I guess he took the extra initiative to get his shit done.

and wtf. if that SS is his actual property, hes got a big ass house. thats crazy lol. do people in London have it as bad as US when it comes to jobs? jesus, i would KILL to live in a house like that. i live on a fucking ghetto beach house now lol

and if that was a joke SS that someone googled. that's the shittiest lawnmower to use as a joke. you should've used the discovery channel lawnmower fighting machines that people program. the ones with saws and blades attached to them. that lawnmower is a fucking mickey mouse lawnmower compared to those monsters.

[Aksannyi]

It's pretty hard to remain motivated for this game once you get what you want, but seriously, Stan got Yoichi in November/December I believe, and didn't quit the game until June. He stuck around a really long time for the linkshell, which we all appreciate, and he left it in pretty good hands. (Even though Chubbs really just doesn't wash his, nasty.)

I think it's fucked to get a relic and quit less than a month later. I've said it to a lot of people who've done the same thing, even people who I'm actually very close to. I really don't think that Stan leaving the game is on the same level here. He kept the linkshell running long after he got his relics. Even though he didn't want to play, he felt like he owed the linkshell for what he/we achieved. And no one is faulting him for quitting.

I'm with the other guy though, if you knew your mortgage was in trouble, why not quit sooner? Save the $12.95/month right off the bat, sell your account sooner? This really just looks like a case of using the linkshell to bolster the value of your account, and getting rid of it. That's what it boils down to. He could have sold it at the first sign of financial trouble, but instead held on long enough to get that relic and make it worth more. That's selfish and a dick move. You're not going to change my mind there. If you have financial troubles quit the game and save the money you're spending on it.

Priorities were fucked here. For an extra couple hundred bucks, I'm betting.

So no, not the same thing.

[Ratatapa]

he does have a BG account would be fun if he came to explain the situation himself

[Deimos]

Him selling his account might not turn his life situation around, but selling it is much better at this point then being homeless with his relic account intact.

Also, even if the actual money gained from selling the account won't single-handedly turn his problems around (which it probably won't), there's a more important effect - he no longer has an account to play. So unless he's really dumb and gets another account, hopefully this should force him to get away from the game and get his life in order.

[richardd]

It's pretty hard to remain motivated for this game once you get what you want, but seriously, Stan got Yoichi in November/December I believe, and didn't quit the game until June. He stuck around a really long time for the linkshell, which we all appreciate, and he left it in pretty good hands. (Even though Chubbs really just doesn't wash his, nasty.)

I think it's fucked to get a relic and quit less than a month later. I've said it to a lot of people who've done the same thing, even people who I'm actually very close to. I really don't think that Stan leaving the game is on the same level here. He kept the linkshell running long after he got his relics. Even though he didn't want to play, he felt like he owed the linkshell for what he/we achieved. And no one is faulting him for quitting.

I'm with the other guy though, if you knew your mortgage was in trouble, why not quit sooner? Save the $12.95/month right off the bat, sell your account sooner? This really just looks like a case of using the linkshell to bolster the value of your account, and getting rid of it. That's what it boils down to. He could have sold it at the first sign of financial trouble, but instead held on long enough to get that relic and make it worth more. That's selfish and a dick move. You're not going to change my mind there. If you have financial troubles quit the game and save the money you're spending on it.

Priorities were fucked here. For an extra couple hundred bucks, I'm betting.

So no, not the same thing.

cic isnt talking about his recent decision to quit. we can all agree he left on good terms, he did change for the best. and i knew the guy for a long ass time, but cic's known him longer than all of us. he has left the LS in firas's hands before taking everything. well, actually that was before my time, i still dont know the whole story on that one. but yeah, its 2 different comparisons in the end. but it was shady for him to sell the pops too. thats where the confusion and hostility from the LS who feels they've been betrayed come in.

[Gunitsoldier]

he does have a BG account would be fun if he came to explain the situation himself

His story is told to his sacks, if they wanna give it a twist or search for extra reasons that aren't there, let them, he REALLY doesn't care.

[richardd]

Also, even if the actual money gained from selling the account won't single-handedly turn his problems around (which it probably won't), there's a more important effect - he no longer has an account to play. So unless he's really dumb and gets another account, hopefully this should force him to get away from the game and get his life in order.

i do agree, but ANYONE who sells their account has the option of recalling it. and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Ive met people who sold their account for 2 thousand dollars and had it recalled 4 months later by calling SE and telling them he's been hacked. sucks, but thats how it is.

[BerenTebogo]

Ok so... why do u all give a shit?

Probably because they were in the LS or friends with him? THINKIN IZ HARD. Dumbfuck.

[Walshy]

Im on Rich's side. Hi Richardd! When we chillin!

[Kulgan]

Not enough drama...here:

I've been in DH for about 1.5years now. Became somewhat close "friends" with Andy(Griev). At first I had tons of respect for the guy and he seemed nice enough and fair enough. Tbh he was a good leader.

After a while I started to notice his more shady/selfish side. I always suspected(and still do) that Griev was using the majority of currency sales for his gear instead of his relic. Srsly, it doesn't take 2+ years to finish a relic when you sponser 50% of the runs. Any time his relic was ever brought up he emod, logged out, and eventually ppl stopped asking. He also loved to point out how much gil "he" gave away to LS members. I found that funny because he was making 10x as much gil through us. He pretty much used DH as his cashcow and no one bothered to really confront him about it.

Random things like him taking Ghrah chips from the bank to attempt to solo Fort so he wouldn't have to bid pts for a FortTorque made me see even more clearly who he really was. When called out on anything he would always have a quick excuse(even if it was a bad one). But seeing as DH was doing well I didn't want to start drama for the LS.

About recent events..

I don't really put too much weight into anything he says...he's proven to be an accomplished liar and thief. From what he's told me though..

-He's been unemployed for 6 months now.
-His attendance started dropping at events because his wife threatened to leave him due to him playing FFXI from when he woke til around 5-6am every day.
-At first he told me on Vent that he was using the money to throw his kids a nice bday party and putting a little away in savings for them.
-More recently the story has changed to the whole mortgage thing.
-Also on Vent, the day before the bank got stolen by "Vince", when I asked if he could go ahead and give me the bank to hold onto so he didn't do something stupid, he replied "man...you know me...i'm most likely going to take the bank too".

And here's what he would have us believe..

He keeps our LS bank on a mule named Deathhouse which is a mule of Sephirothvk(a second accnt of Andys'). Seph originally belonged to his rl friend Vince. He had a poker night which Vince came to and he told all his mates about leaving FFXI etc. Apparently Andy had been giving Vince the new PW to Seph everytime it was changed(changed about 6x for w/e reason idk). He claims he updated Vince on the pw so Vince could log on and play from time to time...maybe this is true, maybe it's not, but giving anyone not in DH full access to our bank was a smrt move regardless!

Then the day of the thievery. Vince supposedly logged onto Seph, came in LS talking shit to Gosh and a few others, mentioning Gosh's real name and calling him DH's "second leader" which seemed like a very Griev thing to do. Then he logged over to Deathhouse and took the bank. Andy logs on within the next 30mins or so and plays innocent. I start sending him tells asking him to not take the bank and letting him know that no one is going to buy all the bs he was trying to pull. He says in LS he's going over to Vince's house to see what's up and then doesn't pick up his phone or get back on game for a few hours. He has a baby that he claims is sick all the time, but somehow left his phone in his car?

So when he comes back he starts in on his story about confronting the evil Vince and getting in a fist fight with him. "Wawawa my rl friendship of 13years is over now over a fucking game etcetc.." He honestly did try his best to push the story....if I didn't know him better and he hadn't openly confessed that he was most likely taking the bank, then MAYBE i would have believed it.

Since all this went down I've talked to him on MSN and in game and mentioned a few times about giving the bank back and his reply has been along the lines of "you guys can make that gil back easy" and "no one really cares about losing the ls bank".

Conclusion.. (Sorry for the WoT)

So yeah, he took the bank. Anyone who can't see that now is blind or not wanting to look.. He's just making up this elaborate story because he's bored and this is giving him something to do. He says in one breath "fuck everyone in this game, i could care less what they think about me" but yet continues on with this shit. I know you're reading this Griev and probably wondering why I've been nice to you the past week while all this has been going on...i was just giving you a chance to do the right thing and figured the more people bitching at you the less chance you'd do that. Seems that's not the case though, you had no intention of giving the bank back and now, no "friends" to give it back to. Last advice.. Move on and let DH move on too. Thanks.

[goshtin]

lots of old faces here
DH is fine (I was leader the whole time too... just not as chatty on bg -_-
we'll carry on with or without the bank restored by rollback (grievs apparently doing this...)

there is no way to prove this either way sadly..
but there is a lot of evidence pointing at him...


I'm not into this wall of text shit BG thrives on. soOoooo w/e
it may be DH's first real drama piece, but it's having so little effect on us you wouldnt know without this kinda thread.
knock yourselves out

EDIT: cross sever aps are still open. ein and dyn are mandatory, but my god dont apply if u cant keep up with ein ATLEAST. I'm sick of repeating tiers for ppl. BORrrring. link in my sig

[richardd]

Im on Rich's side. Hi Richardd! When we chillin!

i miss you honeybuns

[Paxton]

No love for me D?

Somehow, I never expected Griev to go out quietly. Considering all the entertainment he's brought us over the past five years, 20+ mil is a bargain.

[Iced]

From the info that Kulgan and Gosh gave, there is enough circumstantial evidence to make me believe that he did infact steal the bank. Now he can fuck off and die for being the douche bag he has always been.

Have a nice life fucker.

[BadKarma]

Gamez is srs, good for him making some cash on his timesink. Bad for him for stealing a linkshell bank.