Pandemonium Warden downed again

[Neosutra]

I'm not a master of blm ga spell penalties, but how much damage is lost by nuking all 8 instead just 6?

[Davricle]

Multiple-Target Damage Reduction

single-target spells = 1.0
-ga spells with one target = 1.0
-ga spells with 2 through 9 targets = 0.9 - 0.05T where T is the number of targets
-ga spells with 10 or more targets = 0.4

From my experience this sounds about right.

[Neosutra]

So all 8 would be .9 - 0.05*8 = 50% reduction of damage. Just hitting 6 would be .9 - 0.05*6 = 40% of damage reduced.

Hmm.

[Radec]

Spoiler: show

[19:09:17]PLD/WHM2 starts casting Diaga on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:23]SCH/DRK1 uses Alacrity.
[19:09:25]SCH/DRK1 uses Manifestation.
[19:09:25]BLM1 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:32]PLD/WHM2 starts casting Diaga on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:39]PLD/WHM1 starts casting Diaga on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:39]PLD/WHM2 starts casting Diaga on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:40]Radec starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:44]PLD/WHM1 casts Diaga.
[19:09:44]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 0 points of damage.
[19:09:44]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 0 points of damage.
[19:09:45]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 0 points of damage.
[19:09:45]BLM2 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:45]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 0 points of damage.
[19:09:45]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 0 points of damage.
[19:09:45]BLM3 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:45]BLM4 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:45]BLM5 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:45]BLM6 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:45]BLM7 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:45]Equipment changed.
[19:09:46]BLM1 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:47]BLM8 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:48]BLM9 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:48]BLM10 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:49]Radec's Stoneskin effect wears off.
[19:09:49]The Pandemonium Lamp hits Radec for 140 points of damage.
[19:09:49]The Pandemonium Lamp hits Radec for 137 points of damage.
[19:09:50]The Pandemonium Lamp hits Radec for 0 points of damage.
[19:09:50]The Pandemonium Lamp hits Radec for 73 points of damage.
[19:09:51]The Pandemonium Lamp hits Radec for 127 points of damage.
[19:09:51]Radec casts Blizzaga III.
[19:09:51]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 734 points of damage.
[19:09:51]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 734 points of damage.
[19:09:51]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 734 points of damage.
[19:09:51]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 366 points of damage.
[19:09:51]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 734 points of damage.
[19:09:52]BLM3 casts Blizzaga III.
[19:09:52]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 600 points of damage.
[19:09:52]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 600 points of damage.
[19:09:52]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 730 points of damage.
[19:09:52]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 600 points of damage.
[19:09:52]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 600 points of damage.
[19:09:53]SCH/DRK1 starts casting Stun on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:54]BLM11 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:54]BLM8 casts Blizzaga III.
[19:09:54]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 448 points of damage.
[19:09:54]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 256 points of damage.
[19:09:54]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 449 points of damage.
[19:09:54]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 281 points of damage.
[19:09:54]The Pandemonium Lamp takes 309 points of damage.
[19:09:55]The Pandemonium Lamp readies Rail Cannon.
[19:09:56]BLM2 starts casting Blizzaga II on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:56]BLM6 starts casting Blizzaga II on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:56]BLM12 starts casting Blizzaga III on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:56]PLD/WHM1 starts casting Cure IV on Radec.
[19:09:56]BLM3 starts casting Blizzaga II on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:57]SCH/DRK1 casts Stun.
[19:09:57]The Pandemonium Lamp is stunned.
[19:09:57]The Pandemonium Lamp is stunned.
[19:09:57]The Pandemonium Lamp is stunned.
[19:09:57]The Pandemonium Lamp is stunned.
[19:09:57]The Pandemonium Lamp is stunned.
[19:09:57]BLM1 starts casting Blizzaga II on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:57]The Pandemonium Lamp readies Rail Cannon.
[19:09:58]SCH/DRK2 starts casting Stun on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:59]BLM4 starts casting Blizzaga II on the Pandemonium Lamp.
[19:09:59]PLD/WHM2 starts casting Stoneskin on PLD/WHM2.
[19:09:59]The Pandemonium Lamp readies Rail Cannon.
[19:09:59]The Pandemonium Lamp readies Antigravity.
[19:10:00]The Pandemonium Lamp uses Rail Cannon.
[19:10:00]Radec takes 366 points of damage.
[19:10:01]Radec was defeated by the Pandemonium Lamp.

Slice of the log, we're nuking MR chariot lamps at this point. I only see magic damage dealt by those in my party so I can't give a solid estimate on HP. I landed first on that set, for 734 unresisted on 5 of the lamps (only lamp resist of the night on one of them, but this is the only time I landed blizzaga first to allow for reverse calculating lamp INT/MDB, /sigh). I'm at 81+57 INT, 26 gear MAB, 5/5 Blizz merits, hailstorm+obi, watersday, HQ Staff.

The nice thing about 6 (or 5) instead of 8 lamps is that, more likely than not, some people will not get the cast off because 1 lamp (that they targetted) didn't resist at all, where as others did. Assuming that pull had gone well (very first form, PLD/WHM's diaga'd early and hit the skull-form lamps, and my cast ended up being first > dead blm) I would have lived though 3, maybe 4 WS's, ~820 HP + 350 SS. With 8 Lamps, 50% get WS off by chance, ally wipes. 3 get off WS, you'll all be very hurt but likely alive.

Also notice the steep damage drop between 09:51 and 09:54 - while I know I have better gear than BLM3 and BLM8, *most* of that (especially with 8) is from the "getting hit with a lot of elemental magic" effect.

[Neosutra]

Thanx for the info.

Just to be clear though, you guys didnt try and kill any of the last form lamps? Just left them up and kited them away between zerg phases? Or am I missing a step?

[Radec]

Correct, no damage was dealt to final form lamps with intent to kill.

[Malacite]

Maybe SE will extend Unions beyond campaign at some point so throwing all these extra people at PW won't be solely to the benefit of a few...

I mean come on, that many ppl and 18 @ most will get the title, and far less will get an item? WTF is the point?

[Gtype954]

why is 36 an acceptable number o.o

Work it down to ~25 and maybe then it will be worth doing by ls's that don't have 500 people or team up with others. I've been running some thing in my head and I think it can be done, just need lots of relics and people to be able to change jobs quickly

36 is an acceptable number because 18 people can fight lamps and 18 people can fight PW at the same time without the use of calling for help.
They should all get the title though which is bull.
If a monster needs that many people to kill then it should be fought without having to call for help. Having 64 people in a dynamis against Shadowlord is cool because you don't need that many people but if you brought them all, they could all fight him at the same time without swapping dead players in and out.

Same with Odin. You can fight him with 36 people but all of those 36 people will at least get a title for their effort and the title is used in a quest as well.

Having land monsters such as PW and AV where you can only fight 18 people at a time is kind of lame. They should extend some "union" type sh** on those monsters or at least give the title to Pet handlers as well.

[Acturus]

I mean come on, that many ppl and 18 @ most will get the title, and far less will get an item? WTF is the point?

Ah, reminds me of the first Kirins.

"Okay guys, rotate in someone who doesn't have title yet"

[Sonomaa]

no mob that isnt in an instanced situation like odin or dynamis should really take more than 18 people

[Gunslinger]

no mob that isnt in an instanced situation like odin or dynamis should really take more than 18 people

I completely agree, but apparently SE does not.

[Malacite]

I completely agree, but apparently SE does not.

SE is also mentally challenged, learning disabled, or quite possibly both.

[BRP]

no mob that isnt in an instanced situation like odin or dynamis should really take more than 18 people

or 12 people

or 6 people

or 3 people

or 1 person, for that matter.

[Mizango]

I completely agree, but apparently SE does not.

Exactly. We all hope killing it with 18 is possible, but good luck with that. Keep us posted on how that works out for you guys

I know he's been killed what, 3 times? Don't get it twisted, he's no bitch.

[Shinsei]

Was the three times a reference to Pandemonium? Because I'm completely sure he's been killed far more than that by just one linkshell at that lol.

If that wasn't a reference to PW kills then I apologize.

[Demosthenes11]

Was the three times a reference to Pandemonium? Because I'm completely sure he's been killed far more than that by just one linkshell at that lol.

If that wasn't a reference to PW kills then I apologize.

u mad? nitpicking over changing 3 to like 6 is cool bro

[Yugl]

u mad? nitpicking over changing 3 to like 6 is cool bro

He was just saying that it's six not three. What's your problem and why are you trying to start an argument over this? The guy asked if it has been three times an LS has beaten PW and he answered the question for him.

[Virtuous Saint]

PW has been killed sever-wide probably about 9-10 times now.

[Sifer]

Well since the last LS CFH'd PW and still got drops...

Is it possible to CFH it and fight it with all 36 people to like 5%.... then wipe, let it regen 2 tics (and unCFH) and then fight it w/ 1 alliance from 25ish%?

just need 1 person to keep DoTs on it while people unweak.

[sruon]

Congratulations Lunarians/AD.