Allakhazam

[noodles355]

You also have Colossal Lance/Imperial Neza/Zaide/Ares Feet as pieces to strive for, but not Aurum legs? Again, twisted guide.

Again, a mistake. Especially as I myself use Aurum legs for Jump and WS.

It was proof-read a few times befor posting by the forum regulars, but I guess things still got missed.

[Michelob]

I don't see why there's even a thread about this really. I post on both Alla and BG. Though I've only recently started posting here on BG, I've been reading here for years. There are idiots on both forums, albeit less here. You learn quick who to ignore and who is worth talking with/replying to.

[pahnphoenix]

it's funny that so many people on BG judge alla by the majority of idiots who post in the general forum, or who are new and looking for advice on the job forums. what's funny about it is that the "respectable" people on alla generally look down on BG because of the majority of idiots here who spam threads, talk themselves up, and don't know any game math at all. or like that butthurt guy who mentioned my name a few pages back (whoever the fuck that was) and then linked to some thread about double attack that no one cares about.

obviously it's simply the case that most ffxi players are stupid, and this expresses itself on all boards. you can find worthwhile stuff on most of the ffxi boards, but it's situated inside nonsense and horse shit. if i had to guess, i'd say (most) alla job forums are best to go to for gear maximizing type questions, BG is unquestionably the best place to go for endgame event advice, and KI is good to lurk for the occasional "hey look what i did, you can duplicate it if you want" strategy. wiki's good for nothing, and ffxionline is good for posting info before any of us test and discover it but not being read by more than 10 people.

[Cadsuane]

You guys are really not that good at math.

[Zane]

Gonna hide my personal rant about KI/Alla in a spoiler tag so you can skip it if you don't want to read it.

Spoiler: show

When it came to FF XI, I first signed up to KI back during Beta. I think I was member #92 or something like that, back when the mods actually frequently posted on all the topics, and someone called "b00sdr1v0rz" or something like that was the only real resident forum idiot.

Eventually, I found Alla, and I kinda just lurked there for a while. Admittedly, I was a huge noob, and I did learn some things, but it was about filtering out what was plausible, and what was complete BS.

I discovered BG the night JoL was killed for the first time and AV popped. For a time, I didn't stick to one particular forum, instead I just generally browsed all three comparing what different people found on similar topics and going with what seemed right. KI eventually became a cess-pool I didn't want to touch with a 10 1/2 foot pole, so I just bounced back and forth between Alla and BG.

What made me stop visiting Alla was an incident where a particular person openly declared their religious beliefs on the site without challenging others, or insulting others, while standing firm on his own. He was attacked and berated until he was actually banned by a forum admin. This is without saying one insult, or retorting to any other poster other than to answer genuine questions. I found that highly unprofessional by a "Preferred" site, and decided if I was going to put up with that kind of stuff, I should at least go somewhere where the mods can ban who ever they like when ever they like.

I felt bad for the guy, went to bed, woke up the next morning, and realized that most of the posts I was reading on Alla were just to laugh at others any way. So now I only go to visit the Sylph forums and occasionally read the stupid that collects in general every couple months.

For general hard facts, I go to wiki. For more in depth stuff, I just read posts on BG to store a wealth of information in my brain I may never use. Some of Alla's job forums are pretty good, but I'd rather discuss job mechanics with my Linkshell mates as I trust their opinions and experiences much more than I trust someone I haven't met.

tl;dr:

No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

To answer the OP's question, I believe that the BG community finds the community here to be more in line with their in game goals, and social group. Many of the posters here have graduated beyond the generally accepted practice, and into the realm of breaking new ground. The community in BG challenges itself to do better and out do itself constantly in the pursuit to not just perform their role and accomplish tasks - but to define their role, and accomplish legendary feats.

BG has it's share of idiots. Alla has some very intelligent posters. BG is also full of jerk offs that will chew you out and make you feel like a mule. These same jerks keep BG's share of idiots fairly low by comparison. It's all about what kind of community you feel most comfortable in.

Alla is too casual for the average BGer, BG is too elitist for the average Alla...er. KI is just bad. Everyone belongs some where.

[pahnphoenix]

You guys are really not that good at math.

newsflash: (this is for any "elite" BGers that don't know the math in ffxi as well) you don't have to be good at math to do game math. it's fucking high school algebra.

[Brill Weave]

No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

This is one of the most memorable posts on Allakhazam that I can remember. Still makes me laugh everytime I read it.

[Cadsuane]

newsflash: (this is for any "elite" BGers that don't know the math in ffxi as well) you don't have to be good at math to do game math. it's fucking high school algebra.

I know, huh? It's crazy.

Diminishing returns, yo. Also, anything to do with probability. And the whole part where nothing you say is verifiable.

[Brill Weave]

Haha and here comes the inevitable pissing contest.

[Overburn]

This is one of the most memorable posts on Allakhazam that I can remember. Still makes me laugh everytime I read it.

Isn't this just a repost from the lolGameFAQs forums? I remember when people would repost those two or three threads there was always the one guy who linked to a GameFAQs post.

[Norellicus]

I know, huh? It's crazy.

Diminishing returns, yo. Also, anything to do with probability. And the whole part where nothing you say is verifiable.

Because everything that comes out of BG is fact

[Brill Weave]

Isn't this just a repost from the lolGameFAQs forums? I remember when people would repost those two or three threads there was always the one guy who linked to a GameFAQs post.

Yup. Kind of funny that one of the most memorable posts I've read on Alla didn't even come from Alla.

[Brill Weave]

There's only one way to solve this by the way.













Street fight. /grabs trident

[Madvillain]

The only issue i've really had with Allah is that no matter how a thread starts on any job forum that involes melee jobs (WAR, MNK, DRG, etc.), it always ends with a conversation about meriting on Colibri. It's like we gather all this gear, spend all this time to improve our characters and it disseminates into who can kill Colibri the fastest.

The one thing I like about BG is that you tend to get a broader perspective on a job's capabilities. Allah has some good guides, but anyone who has spent some time at 75 and has common sense (not so common, I know) can gear a job without looking like a complete retard.

Both forums have their up's and downs. What pains me is reading any shit about DNC on either forum. All the people discussing DNC changes and DNC endgame have no fucking clue what they are talking about. For example: The majority of the playerbase thinks DNC still needs to hit mobs to get TP.

As far as this math debacle goes, who cares? None of us work for SE, so our mechanical math is based on testing and numbers can be skewed more easily here than anywhere, so we can't just blindly follow anyone honestly (pahn suggests WSing in Black Belt to get his next attack round more quickly. Does it work better than other options? Fuck if I know, but it works for him). We all know Haste is good, but is not so good if you don't have ACC. We know that Attack + ACC are good for some WSs and stats are good for others. Experiment, find what works best for you and benefits your party/alliance/solo/duo and then improve upon it.

[Deadgye]

The Alla regulars act as if "we" or other sites like KI simply pick on them for no apparent reason, drop by the Pandemonium forums on Alla.

llolololol. Even the alla regulars know that the server forums are pure shit. They're used for lolbazaaring and 'spam' chat.

Also, funny you should pick the pandemonium forums, because there have been some real gems posted there. Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI

[Cadsuane]

Because everything that comes out of BG is fact

You're really grasping at straws if you think I'm putting BG on a pedestal.

Madvillain, it's not inconcievable that melee would use an easy mob to benchmark performance.

The math thing, you hit the mark when you said that theories have to be looked at dubiously. Then you tried to say it was a subjective issue when really, if the guy who said haste gear in a WS hastens the next attack round can't prove that it uh, actually does that, then it probably doesn't, and it does not work for him, nor does it for anybody else.

P.S. Did he actually say that? Can you show us where?

[Norellicus]

You're really grasping at straws if you think I'm putting BG on a pedestal.

So you're just picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight, even better!

[Yugl]

The math thing, you hit the mark when you said that theories have to be looked at dubiously. Then you tried to say it was a subjective issue when really, if the guy who said haste gear in a WS hastens the next attack round can't prove that it uh, actually does that, then it probably doesn't, and it does not work for him, nor does it for anybody else.

In general terms, the inability to prove that a stat has an effect does not necessarily mean the stat has no effect. Someones you simply cannot prove beyond doubt that certain stats make a difference until new game mechanics appear that make it feasible (Imagine enmity testing without the ability to buff).

So you're just picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight, even better!

You can say that the general population of a forum is lousy at calculating in-game mechanics without trying to pick a fight or act as a proponent of another forum.

[Madvillain]

You're really grasping at straws if you think I'm putting BG on a pedestal.

Madvillain, it's not inconcievable that melee would use an easy mob to benchmark performance.

The math thing, you hit the mark when you said that theories have to be looked at dubiously. Then you tried to say it was a subjective issue when really, if the guy who said haste gear in a WS hastens the next attack round can't prove that it uh, actually does that, then it probably doesn't, and it does not work for him, nor does it for anybody else.

P.S. Did he actually say that? Can you show us where?

I agree that there needs to be some sort of baseline testing for equipment, but my point was that the discussion never gets away from that. There isn't much conversation about gear sets and their application outside of meripo.

I understand what you are saying here too. I was simply stating that if someone states something works, we are not involved in the mechanics of this game on a developer level and we shouldn't discount someone's idea without first giving it a try. Remember when we all TP'd in STR gear?

Yes, he does WS in Black Belt. You can see his WS build in his sig on Allah. Honestly I can't find the post he made about it (was like 6 months, if not more, back) but basically he stated that he prefers to leave the Haste on as it allows his next attack round after his WS to come more quickly. Again I am not a game mechanic/math wizard, so I can't say shit.

[pahnphoenix]

In general terms, the inability to prove that a stat has an effect does not necessarily mean the stat has no effect. Someones you simply cannot prove beyond doubt that certain stats make a difference until new game mechanics appear that make it feasible (Imagine enmity testing without the ability to buff).



You can say that the general population of a forum is lousy at calculating in-game mechanics without trying to pick a fight or act as a proponent of another forum.

i'm fairly sure he's trying to say that "respected people" in the alla forums don't know how to do math (because of some semantic argument about diminishing returns that made him feel bad). he's doing this either because he's unprecedentedly butthurt, or he's trying to get attention. it's probably the latter; in the reality TV world of forums, weak people get a real charge by finding "celebrity" posters and taking them down a level. i'm sure you guys see this shit on BG all the time.

for the record, i have no idea who that cadwhatever person is, but i do vaguely remember the hilarity of not liking what he read on alla so much that he made a thread on BG about it or something. you don't have to know much to know how heavy a failure that makes him.

as for the rest, uhhhhh, this dead horse ass topic is really boring. i disagree with some of the general sentiments (eg "if you have a 75, you know how to gear it properly unless you're retarded," yeahh.... but there's little "intricacies"--too strong a word for it, but it sort of fits--that people often don't get. like when people pump 2x SV minuet onto their SAMs during a zerg with angon and such... eh). but who cares? if you don't like alla, obviously you shouldn't go there. these forums are all generally time-sinks anyway, and the game is so old that all of the information is wide-spread. there's literally nothing you can learn on alla but not BG or KI or any configuration of those 3. everything substantive is generally crossposted anyway.