Allakhazam

[BRP]

Seriously man, I listened to Alla advice once. It was back in 2004 when I was doing my Pld AF body fight in Davoi? Alla fucking said it could be trioed easily by anyone 40-50 because the combined leveled were much higher than theirs... so me and 2 of the people in my sig went and got fucking cornholed by the Orc, prison style. Fuck you Alla.

Never again have I bothered getting info from Alla.

You got ludacris and darwin to help you with your AF?



"Elitism" is a poor insult. It is like throwing money at rich people.

Also what I meant by organized job information wasn't sub forums or even individual threads(BLU thread is allakhazam type repetition in between updates and should be locked.)

I wonder how useful a sticky that organizes information for all jobs would be though. Maybe new threads to gather truly scattered information.

[hotpiercedguy]

Alla: Bad ideas; but at least you can post without everyone jumping on you to beat you up. Mostly retards

BG: Good ideas; but if you post anything out of the box or a bad idea, be prepared to get beat up and your post possibly deleted for no reason. Mostly Elitist assholes who think their shit don't stink

Take your pick.


in b4 someone deletes this.

[BRP]

Alla: ... at least you can post without everyone jumping on you to beat you up.

This isn't true

[Absolutely Virtue]

Crying

Wow, if the nitpicking of this one point is so important to you, then yes, technically, this makes me a hypocrite. Now do me a favor and go back and pay attention to what I was saying, as it was correct, and of infinitely more fucking value than anything you've contributed thus far.

But for the record, because I know this is so important to you:

Yugl: 1
Absolutely Virtue (homophobe): 0

[Hapernack]

Alla: Bad ideas; but at least you can post without everyone jumping on you to beat you up. Mostly retards

Not correct. The "elitists" will still find your thread and correct it.

BG: Good ideas; but if you post anything out of the box or a bad idea, be prepared to get beat up and your post possibly deleted for no reason. Mostly Elitist assholes who think their shit don't stink

The only reason you get deleted or rampaged upon is if you post something that either is a deadhorse topic (usually a new thread or something), attempt to spread misinformation, or are simply full of shit. The idea that "Alla people are nice" and "BG people are mean" is pretty much adopted only by dipshits.

[Fiofio]

Keria summed up RDM forum pretty nicely - it's all about RDM melee and how "it works in merit party". The moment I say something that makes sense like "I'm busy enough as it is with RDM duties, where do I find the time to melee", I immediately get a dumbass response like "then you're picking too much slack in your party" >_>;

I rarely merit nowadays due to LS schedule, but when I do I usually merit with LS DDs, and 2 BRDs or 1 BRD 1 COR and we squeeze every last bit of exp in the limited time that I have to merit, what with curing, hasting, silencing magic users, dispelling shock spikes, Dia, gravity pulling, sleep pulling, etc >_< I seriously don't know how RDMs can say that they melee and still do a good job, and yet they still exist on Alla.

[Cesaria]

Keria summed up RDM forum pretty nicely - it's all about RDM melee and how "it works in merit party". The moment I say something that makes sense like "I'm busy enough as it is with RDM duties, where do I find the time to melee", I immediately get a dumbass response like "then you're picking too much slack in your party" >_>;

I rarely merit nowadays due to LS schedule, but when I do I usually merit with LS DDs, and 2 BRDs or 1 BRD 1 COR and we squeeze every last bit of exp in the limited time that I have to merit, what with curing, hasting, silencing magic users, dispelling shock spikes, Dia, gravity pulling, sleep pulling, etc >_< I seriously don't know how RDMs can say that they melee and still do a good job, and yet they still exist on Alla.

Yup - I've hung around on Alla for a fair few years off and on... started out in their RDM forums there back when it was full of stuff other than how to evisceration pink birds to death in melee "builds" consisting of "bung an SH on with full AF1". That forum now has gone to utter utter hell in a handbasket and consists of about 3 people repeatedly making attempts at guides about how to melee in exp parties (generally this involves inviting another RDM to do the stuff that RDMs do so they can prat around with their daggers) and jerking each other off to their weaponskill damage. If anyone posts a caster-related comment they all fire red arrows at the offending person - and go back to congratulating each other on being awesome. Before it went to utter shit though when I was a newbie levelling up RDM as a first job - it was generally quite useful - but those posters are long since gone.

Some of the forums though are useful - for a long long while the BST forum was brilliant, and the hunting grounds sticky has so much more information about camp spots, pitfalls, solo/duo possibilities than any of the endless "go here at this level and fight X with Y" guides that lead to every single BST on the face of the earth believing that the Red Kisser camp is the ONLY place to exp at their level in the entire game. Lately it's gone to hell quite a lot as well with people constantly harping on about crap like that they're capable of outparsing any two handed DD in their "melee setup" (which generally involves the tried and trusted technique of "stick a hauby on along with my full AF and CHR rings") and the mentality of CHR gear for charm is useless etc etc that's creeping in. Tends to be a bit of a collective suck-off for the members of Monsters Inc as well at times.

Generally though anyone who mentions expecting party members to do their jobs properly with semi-decent equipment (and we're not talking insisting on hauby+1s etc here... or even amemet+1s even though yes it's gimp to not have that HQed - but we're talking not showing up naked) gets jumped on for being an elitist with no life, if appropriate the "I have a child and a real life therefore I'm better than you" card gets played and the collective crew jump on the train before it takes a detour through PUP station on the way to becoming the same 6 or 7 people sucking their collective egos off.

[Overburn]

Alla: Bad ideas; but at least you can post without everyone jumping on you to beat you up. Mostly retards

BG: Good ideas; but if you post anything out of the box or a bad idea, be prepared to get beat up and your post possibly deleted for no reason. Mostly Elitist assholes who think their shit don't stink

Take your pick.


in b4 someone deletes this.

Is the argument "Alla lets shitty posts stay and are retards" supposed to be an argument in favor of Alla being good?

[TybudX]

Alla: Bad ideas; but at least you can post without everyone jumping on you to beat you up. Mostly retards

As has been pointed out and linked to several times in the first few pages of this very thread, the problem with Alla is that people do get jumped on... for providing correct answers, mathematically sound advise, and honest opinions on how useless certain jobs/roles/gear are in an actual end game environment. It's the retards running the hospital, and most people who provide sound logic, backed up by proof (parses, math, screen shots, etc.) get 'sub-defaulted' for not giving the sunshiny butterfly up your ass answers that everybody should get, lest they be forever scarred by their experiences on an internet forum.

[Fiofio]

I have damage turned off during merit parties, so I can't really say how much real DDs are doing with their WS, but something tells me that Death Blossom from a single hand sword, swung by a puny RDM with no offensive job abilities, will not come close to a raging rush from a berserked and minueted WAR, let alone E Body relic WARs and stuff >_> Even if you think about the so-called DoT from Enspells and Enspells II, that doesn't really mean much when the mob is dead within seconds...

[Spider-Dan]

I think a lot of one's alla experience has to do with which forums you visit.

The general forum is a waste, and the only job forums I visit with any regularity are RNG, COR, THF. All three have more useful information (for those jobs) than any other source on the internet (and it's really not even close).

So I can't speak to the absurdity of the RDM or SMN forums because I don't visit them.

[cdgreg]

Didn't read pages 3-5 so don't shoot me. But the one thing I actually like about alla is if you are looking for personal feedback about camping a nm, or an item you can read all the replies on the item/nm page. Yes, I know you can get specific spawn condition information on wiki, but sometimes reading personal experiences adds to understanding.

[konoko]

Cursing etc.

Posts like yours are why alla sucks, you cant make a winning argument by cursing at the person you are arguing with. It just ruins your own credibility and makes you seem threatened by the person you are arguing with.

And if we are keeping score:

Yugl: 4
Absolutly Hypocrytical: 0

[Yugl]

Wow, if the nitpicking of this one point is so important to you, then yes, technically, this makes me a hypocrite. Now do me a favor and go back and pay attention to what I was saying, as it was correct, and of infinitely more fucking value than anything you've contributed thus far.

But for the record, because I know this is so important to you:

Yugl: 1
Absolutely Virtue (homophobe): 0

I'm sorry, was I wrong when I said you were trying to promote peace between two forum's members? What exactly do I need to pay attention for? Your values? I already picked them out and pointed out you don't follow them yourself.

I honestly cannot believe you suggested that your statement was "correct" as if it was some provable fact. What did your post contain? Generalizations about BG members being assholes and Alla being helpless fags? Special snowflakes? Suggesting that we rely on them more than we realize? These are nothing but generalizations. Are you 100% certain I PTed with Alla people when leveling my subs? Are you certain that everyone on BG is some "jock asshole" who picks on Alla members? Are you certain that everyone who posts on Alla is some "fag"? For someone who is obsessed about being correct and showing respect to other people, you sure as hell come off as neither when you make such asinine statements.

With regards to value, prior to our entire argument, you're probably the most off topic person here. The OP asked *why* BG members hate Alla members. We're responding to the OP as he asked. Not *once* did you suggest why BG hates Alla members. You merely suggested for what purpose you read each forum and went on to retort all of BG for acting like assholes to Alla members (And honestly, most of us don't go out of our way to harm then, we simply don't want to go to their forum). Hypocrisy devalues what you've stated. You're not even capable of responding to criticism without coming off as an asshole, yet, you ask that other people do as well. How is this scenario not what you were advising against? Claim you're making a valuable point. I say that in the process you're coming off as an ass (Which in this specific scenario means you're a hypocrite, but that's besides the point). You continue to flame me and act condescending. You do realize that's what you deemed the "typical BG response" right?

In short, answer the OP and stop giving hypocritical demands. You cannot give orders and frown upon a community for acting in a manner that you yourself do. You have no point. You have no value. If you're that upset over contradicting arguments, I think it's time you stayed at Alla permanently.

[Gere]

I think a lot of one's alla experience has to do with which forums you visit.

The general forum is a waste, and the only job forums I visit with any regularity are RNG, COR, THF. All three have more useful information (for those jobs) than any other source on the internet (and it's really not even close).

So I can't speak to the absurdity of the RDM or SMN forums because I don't visit them.

Add drg to the list of useful forums, they actually have some really great guides there.

[richardd]

i stereotyped alla just from the pty members that give me shit that quote me from it lol. i remember lvling drk and i was lvl 73 and dinged into an ace helm. the guy in my pty says, "i should post your pic on the DRK forums, ace helm with a haub+1 instead of hauberk+1?" i thought he was joking until i /c'd him and saw a hauberk+1 on him lol. he claims the +eva saved him many times.

i wouldve let him have it. but i was in a good mood and just ignored it. besides, he seems like the kind of pty leader that would boot ppl if someone didnt agree with him, and before SMN burn and lvl sync, getting pty's on drk sucks monkey balls. so whatever, i took whatever exp i could get, even if it was filled with stupidity lol.

i never had anything against alla, thats just my POV. 1st impressions are everything to me, and if this drk is giving me crap about a haub+1 instead of a hauberk... i didnt care to look too much more into it.

KI and BG are my scene. but i like BG better lately. everyone here that posts often know eachother well enough to have our own little clicks and lurk together. on KI, its like ... clans lol. you have your "samurai union" (i was a member too, team sexy wut?)which dont take shit from the "mnk squad" who flame people for not making a seperate macro for temple gloves on boosting before WS. idk, perhaps it changed, i havent been on there on ages. but regardless, i like both forums. Alla, i never really gave a chance. but id be open minded enough to check it out once or twice when i get some time.

[Corrderio]

I will admit I like BG/KI better since the community usually doesn't ask the same crap or things that should be obvious (Should I buy a SH for my BLU?), however Allah can be good depending on where you go.

One of my only gripes is I just find Pikko annoying, I don't know why I do, but it's just one of those things.

[Phraust]

im late but here is my response

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...wist/lewls.png

Oh look, it's light text on a dark blue background....

Spoiler: show

just fucking around, this screenshot = /thread.
if the op needed a reason why people don't like alla, I think that conversation just about covers it.

[Arthars]

that convo owns hard

[Rocl]

Ah, yes. The "What's Better?" thread was truly an amazing idea. Possibly the best one I've seen; I'm actually in awe of what an amazing idea it was. In fact, if there was an award for amazing ideas, you'd win it for every year that the thread has been in existence. And centuries from now, people will still tell the story of the Hume BLM (named Rocl, of course) who conceived what will come to be known as the greatest idea of all time.

I clearly remember claiming that if the thread was a success all credit went to me, and if it failed, all credit went to you! That is how it will be written in the History books, but don't worry you'll have a bitchin' game made exploring the injustices of it, and how I'm really a bad guy etc. etc.