WoTG Mission Thread

[Serra]

Quick thought about Dynamis and the Hydra Corps:

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Is it possible the Hydra Corps is the assemblage of troops we see in the latest set of Windy missions? I guess we'll have to wait for the next update to find out, but they do fit the description in those letters more or less, no?

[Ker]

Here's part 1 of "Will of the World" (the cutscenes following "Distorter of Time"):

YouTube - FFXI - WotG - The Will of the World - Part 1 of 2

I'll upload part 2 later. You'll have to go HQ and full-screen to read the text without squinting, I think.

I won't upload the battle because we did it the boring way and brought 3 healers and a BRD.

edit: Oops, should've searched before I uploaded. Someone beat me to it: YouTube - FFXI Wings of the Goddess Mission - Distorter of Time

Thanks for Upload

[Ratatapa]

well missions were good but too easy again, just soloed the last BC lol

[Kincard]

I guess I don't mind easy fights too much as long as the fights are fun. Fighting a

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renegade Cait Sith that summons a gigantic mouth

is a lot more interesting than just another vanilla monster model that uses a random 2HR from the game.

One thing I tended to notice for that last BC is if nobody performs any actions while the summon is out, it won't use stat vacuum or whatever it was called. Makes me think that there might be some way to force it to despawn before it is able to perform any actions. Though I suppose it's not a big deal since it's not a very hard fight anyway.

Also one plot hole that I can't help but comment on, because it makes me laugh:

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If the Cait Siths have this power of just monitoring whoever they want at any time they want (It seems a bit inconsistent on this because a whole mission is dedicated to you sticking bugs on things, while other times they appear to be able to look into places whenever they want), why not just use it to figure out what the heck Lady Lilith is up to?

[Pindle]

Also one plot hole that I can't help but comment on, because it makes me laugh:

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If the Cait Siths have this power of just monitoring whoever they want at any time they want (It seems a bit inconsistent on this because a whole mission is dedicated to you sticking bugs on things, while other times they appear to be able to look into places whenever they want), why not just use it to figure out what the heck Lady Lilith is up to?

My reasoning is this.

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In regards to the Cait Sith bugging mission, one would think that, if the Cait Sith were able to scry other events happening at the present time, they would also be able to block other scrying attempts directed at them. One would also assume that Lady Lilith also has the means to block scrying attempts by the Cait Sith due to whatever powers she possesses. She _was_ able to kill that Cait Sith outright, after all.

[LordshadowRagnarok]

One thing I tended to notice for that last BC is if nobody performs any actions while the summon is out, it won't use stat vacuum or whatever it was called. Makes me think that there might be some way to force it to despawn before it is able to perform any actions. Though I suppose it's not a big deal since it's not a very hard fight anyway.

You have to run around it till it gets dizzy.
YouTube - Super Mario 64 - Eye to Eye in the Secret Room

[TummieGaruda]

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Lilisette and Lilith come from two different realities. Apparently, this kinda thing happens often enough that an entity to devour the less favored realities exists -- Atomos. I think her (their?) dad would have gotten the injury during the battle of Jeuno -- so the fight we participated in? Part of the problem with trying to work things out with the timeline is that the Spitewardens are off trying to speed/screw up the progression of events. Does anyone remember when the actual battle of Jeuno occurred and what events led up to it? Was it not that the Gigas thought Jeuno was weak and decided to attack the city?

The more I think about it, the more I think the Caits originated from Lilith's reality where the war never ended, people were forced to constantly fight and lose loved ones, and people turned away from religion and Altana. We hear Lilith talk about how things are decided by people, not by an omniscient being watching from above. It sounds like Altana saw all the despair and created the Caits to steer Atomos to consume that reality in favor of our more favorable reality. However, Lilith didn't want her world and herself to be consumed into nothingness, so she and her Spitewardens traveled back in time to prevent this from happening and to ensure her reality exists. If ya think about it that way, Lilith doesn't seem all that evil, and although her methods are questionable, having grown up and lived in an era where all she's known is war, a contest between the two identical beings seems pretty logical and reasonable.

Also, as far as Lehko goes, if he's also a Spitewarden, how does the Sinhunter play into that all. For some reason, I thought she was the mother of the trio from CoP, but that might have been purely speculation on my part. But if that is the case, then Lehko can't be a time traveler. And if they are both from Lilith's future, then why would she give him the freedom to do as he wishes? I personally believe Robel-Akbel is actually Robel-Akbel, just from Lilith's reality. In the last Windy CS, Karuha-Baruha brings up the fact that the Robel-Akbel of this reality died near the start of the war. I'm guessing in Lilith's reality, he didn't die, but failed to protect Windy. As a result, he witnessed its destruction and the death of Star Sybil and everyone else. I'm really hoping he ends up not being evil because I really like his character.

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This is pretty much what I believed to be true after reading the dialogue tables on the day of the update and reading about Atmos. If you think about the two realities Back to the Future style, one reality had to be the "true" reality and the other

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...a/timeline.jpg

I believe that in the original timeline, we lost the Crystal War. Someone went back into the past to change it so that we "won" the Crystal War, and a second reality was created. So now with two realities, Atmos goes to the junction point where the reality splits into two, and decides which reality is most favorable and devours up the one that isn't, and all memories of said reality are forever lost in the Walk of Echos.

Now in one of the new CS's Cait mentions how Altana wanted to lessen the pain of the war and so she created the 9 Caits to go back in time to lessen the tears of the Crystal War. Because of their presence, an alternate reality (Ours) is created. Now back in the original timeline, somehow Lillith finds out about the Cait's plans or realizes that there is a second reality and possibly the coming of Atmos and sends her Spiritwardens to shake things up to make sure that her reality is the more favored one. As far as the Maws go, I figure that in order to fullfill the prophecy

"When the Harbinger cometh...♪
The Champions of the Dawn shall descend...♪

that each Cait summoned a maw to connect to the future of the alternate reality (ours) so that the "Champions of the Dawn" (us) will come to help out to ensure that the Crystal War is won

[Yugl]

What's the relation between the Shadow Lord and Lillith? Are they enemies or comrades? Does the Shadow Lord even know of the existence of Lillith?

[Kaylia]

What's the relation between the Shadow Lord and Lillith? Are they enemies or comrades? Does the Shadow Lord even know of the existence of Lillith?

Lilith probably entered in contact with w/e turned the Shadow Lord into a big demon, because she isn't 100% human for sure.

[Seraph]

Lilith probably entered in contact with w/e turned the Shadow Lord into a big demon, because she isn't 100% human for sure.

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I'll give you a hint. It was a celestial avatar, and isn't Alexander, Ifrit, Shiva, Titan, Guarda, Leviathan, or Ramuh...

Not sure if that is true though, as far as where Lilith obtained her weird demon stature. Assuming she comes from the 'future' from our general perspective, it's possible she gains power a different way, or just evolves to be that powerful?

[Rocl]

What's the relation between the Shadow Lord and Lillith? Are they enemies or comrades?

As of now, we know of none.

Does the Shadow Lord even know of the existence of Lillith?

It is hard to say, but I have feeling there would be hints to the tie between Lilith & Shadow Lord if they are connected. I am going to cite the ties between Odin & Raogrimm here because it has been said again and again about a voice of darkness, etc. led Raogrimm to become the Shadow Lord, CoP introduced the idea of a Dark Protocrystal and ToAU told us who was sealed there.

[Yugl]

As of now, we know of none.


It is hard to say, but I have feeling there would be hints to the tie between Lilith & Shadow Lord if they are connected. I am going to cite the ties between Odin & Raogrimm here because it has been said again and again about a voice of darkness, etc. led Raogrimm to become the Shadow Lord, CoP introduced the idea of a Dark Protocrystal and ToAU told us who was sealed there.

I forgot about Odin and his misdeeds! Is there any solid FFXI storyline material (Like the Elmer section) that has all of this information or do you guys just remember this very well from CSs?

[Rocl]

I occasionally reread Elmer's stuff on JP Button, but for the most part it's from memory. (My memory is keen on useless stuff, I may be mistaken sometimes, but for the most part I like to think I have a pretty good grasp) I rewatch CS a lot too

[Seraph]

I forgot about Odin and his misdeeds! Is there any solid FFXI storyline material (Like the Elmer section) that has all of this information or do you guys just remember this very well from CSs?

It's pretty well confirmed, and pieced together from various CSs in different expansion packs. For a long time, the 'Dark Voice' was assumed to be Promathia, but that is later shown to be incorrect.

[Gwynplaine]

I forgot about Odin and his misdeeds! Is there any solid FFXI storyline material (Like the Elmer section) that has all of this information or do you guys just remember this very well from CSs?

They never come right out and say Odin is the dark divinity but it is heavily suggested. I think the reason is because they can't explicitly "cross the streams", as it were, between CoP and AU. However when you view the two together one after the other the transition is obvious.

Here's a recording of two of the COP quests dealing with it and then of course it's explained more in later AU missions.

[Yugl]

Wasn't doubting the validity, just hoping to look at the storyline (Never cared for the CSs from CoP/ToAU, but I like the original storyline). Also, the video doesn't work for me (Something I need to click off Noscript?).

[Bockage]

So I was doing the Castle Zvahl Baileys level 1 run for the new Moogle missions when I noticed the architecture of the place looked a lot of those old Walk of Echo's screen shots I'd seen posted on the web. It's apparent that things in the Shadowreigh zones are distorted from our reality. So far it's been minor things like battles occurring a little early. What if those got more distorted as the missions go on? My thought here is that perhaps as we reach the conclusion, things get so distorted that Castle Zvahl actually becomes Walk of Echo's. I just wish I could get pXI or EWH to work to explore and examine my theory even more.

[Guppy]

What's the relation between the Shadow Lord and Lillith? Are they enemies or comrades? Does the Shadow Lord even know of the existence of Lillith?

Lilith probably entered in contact with w/e turned the Shadow Lord into a big demon, because she isn't 100% human for sure.

I kind of suspect that, while Lilisette will be the future daughter of Portia and Ragelise, Lilith will be the daughter of

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Portia and the Shadow Lord.

[Ratatapa]

I kind of suspect that, while Lilisette will be the future daughter of Portia and Ragelise, Lilith will be the daughter of

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Portia and the Shadow Lord.

thats why i cant wait for next update, i wonder where Lilith brought Protia (in her dimansion but where exactly)

[BRP]

Do you think a RDM can solo the last mission?