Yonin's 'Ninja Tool Expertise' broken?

[Rocl]

Emergency Main in a few hours
THE GREAT YONIN NERF OF 2009???

[ringthree]

^ this, but i wouldn't be surprised at all, going back to not using JA's on NIN and wondering why SE favors certain jobs so fucking much


(also the shared recast timer is fucking R E T A R D E D, why give ninjas hasso/seigan and not make it work like hasso/seigan...)

From a design standpoint if they wanted to make the effect diminish over time they had to do it that way.

The real question is why the hell did they want the effect to diminish over time?

[ringthree]

Emergency Main in a few hours
THE GREAT YONIN NERF OF 2009???

I SWEAR TO GOD IF THEY NERF YONIN I AM GOING TO QUIT AND PLAY WOW OUT OF SPITE AGAINST MY EVIL SE OVERLORDS!

[Rocl]

Square Enix is probably the worst company to ever have existed. They make such a terrible product that I can not put down.

[Chantal]

^ this, but i wouldn't be surprised at all, going back to not using JA's on NIN and wondering why SE favors certain jobs so fucking much


(also the shared recast timer is fucking R E T A R D E D, why give ninjas hasso/seigan and not make it work like hasso/seigan...)

They did it because they knew Innin is terrible because you shouldn't be DDing on NIN O: !

Seriously though I bet this emergency maintenance nerfs it down to like 10% activation rate. Was fun while it lasted...

[Utau]

You don't know shit about game development, sorry.

And this.

Wow you both should get maried... thats actually the reason, was talking to a GM and idk if he said it as a joke or not but thats what he said... why you always giving a fuck to my posts.. maybe thats why never posted in this site.. for ppl like you, of course there is nice ppl here anyways

[Vandalhart]

Well.. I'll do up some Under Observations when I get a chance then.

[Spekkio]

would be nice to be sure. i could actually lvl nin and use ele tools beyond tsurara w/o going broke. oh well, surely a pipe dream. we'll see it down to 10% soon enough i'm sure.

[Shinryuu]

Right after yesterday's patch I tanked Proto-Omega and YO NIN I HERD U LIEK TANKIN SO I PUT A TANK IN UR TANK SO U CAN TANK WHILE U TANK

The enmity

It is good

The evasion also seems to be quite good (just soloed some Eo'Ghrah w/ like capped evasion rate /DRK) and the -ACC doesn't seem to be that hefty. I swear if they nerf Yonin I'm... idk, never going to play NIN again?

[Shassira]

I suposse it would be resonable to think that Yonin's ninja tool expertise is broken as it is, but it's not unreasonable to believe that it's meant for a ninja at 75 to be able to cast for free. Way I see it, it would make sense that using AF2 hands + merits + yonin you'd get 100% Tool Expertise. This way, neither the merits nor the AF2 becomes obsolete... in fact, they become much better.

Sure, it will limit an equipment slot on hands, but it does make more sense than giving free tools for a ninja for their whole exping career. Instead, free casting would become a ninja's objective.

Here's hoping i'm right =/

[Rydir]

With 5/5 Ninja Tool Expertise Merits and Koka Tekko equipped Ninjas could already achive 58% proc rate. If it wasn't intended to be 100% and even if they change it, It wont really change much...

they will probably change it to 30% to match the rest of the the stats on Yonin/Innin (decreasing as timer runs down) This would still allow nin to attain almost 90% if merited/geared right.

[Aksannyi]

Square Enix is probably the worst company to ever have existed. They make such a terrible product that I can not put down.

Lawl

[TheMysteriousX]

Pretty sure the GM script goes like:

if not(Known Issue) and not(Game Breaking) or (random(0, 100) > 3)
{
working_as_intended();
}
else
{
ban();
}

It seems that unless the dev's have advised otherwise or you're speaking to an SGM, the game is perfect.

[Rocl]

Server up, someone test!

[Oulanbator]

15 spells cast, no tools used this far

[Chantal]

100 spells cast, post-maintenance, seems 100% still

~10 of those were within the last 30 seconds, so doesn't look like it decays either. Or I'm really lucky.

[Toth]

From this update's notes, it only looks like bun prices were adjusted (probably to combat RMT). I'd wait until the current known issue post is up on the website before thinking that all is according to plan.

[TummieGaruda]

100 spells cast, post-maintenance, seems 100% still

~10 of those were within the last 30 seconds, so doesn't look like it decays either. Or I'm really lucky.

maintenance notes didn't even mention Yonin just said something about buns being NPC'd for the wrong price.

[Chantal]

maintenance notes didn't even mention Yonin just said something about buns being NPC'd for the wrong price.

I was testing before those were up, but even so, we all know SE is fond of ninja (haha get it) nerfing things

[noodles355]

>> Aashiara: Can you confirm you could be banned or recieve a warning for using Yonin?
[GM] Aashiara >> I can not confirm that.
>> Aashiara: Can you confirm you wont be banned?
[GM] Aashiara >> In a general way, if you avoid using a glitch you will avoid trouble
>> Aashiara So you recomend we do not use Yonin at all?
[GM] Aashiara >> Exactly.

Sounds like you can get punished for using Yonin. That's almost as stupid as SE fixing Curry Bun prices befor fixing this.

Fuck SE, test the shit out befor you implament it. How could you miss something so fucking obvious.