Randomerest Question Thread III: This Time It's Random

[ringthree]

1. How bad is the drop rate on Ovinnik Hide's without TH?

2. Is there a windower plug in that will automatically make a .txt macro of the gear you are wearing?

1. Unless you really need Ovinnik Hide for a specific craft don't try to farm it. Just skip it if you are leveling leather, and I will try and check what I did to skip it if that is what you are doing.

2. Funny you should mention that, while I don't know if there is an in-game plug-in that will do this, you could use FFXI Calculator for that. I believe I have the most recent version before it went down. And I believe FFXIGear is working on something like that.

[ringthree]

Embarrased to admit, but I'm now a 60 rng with no idea about what to gear for specifically, any tips?

Edit: Er, that made me look idiotic, for endgame I mean, currently I've got Racc and Ratt with str where I can't get either, I'm not ENTIRELY in the dark, but would like some better idea on specifics of endgame/merits.

It really depends on what you are doing and what you have access to. Kirin's Osode and E bow would be my first objective, and there are a couple of good pieces in sky.

Do you want a more comprehensive list?

[Ned]

2. Is there a windower plug in that will automatically make a .txt macro of the gear you are wearing?

FFXIAH gear sets do it now if you can be bothered to set up your sets you will get a windower script below which can be used for making gear swaps.txt file - not what you asked for but it works!

Still faster to just type it out probably

[Chen]

2. Is there a windower plug in that will automatically make a .txt macro of the gear you are wearing?

that would be awesome ;;

[Thorny]

There's a program called EasyMac or something like that on windower site that does exactly that.

http://forums.windower.net/topic/11346-easymac/

[Mirya]

Easymac does that for you. As either a txt file for a windower macro or a spellcast set-up. Very handy program.

EasyMac - Windower

[Ultimagi]

Let's assume that the chance of Occasionally Attacks Twice is 45% and Double Attack is 15%

How do you calculate% chance for joytoy to DA when calculating average attacks per round? Let's say you have 15% da and joy has 50% chance to proc, but they both can't proc together? Whats your average swings/round?

We know Joyeuse's Occasionally Attacks Twice and Double Attack can't both happen in 1 attack, and the laws of commutativity save us the trouble of determining which takes precedence.
Chance of Occasionally Attacks Twice = 0.45
Chance of Double Attack = (1 - 0.45) * 0.15 = 0.0825
Chance of attacking once = (1 - 0.45) * (1 - 0.15) = 0.4675
The sum of all possibilities is 1.
Multiply each possibility's probability by the number of attacks and sum to find expected attacks per round:
0.45 * 2 = 0.9
0.0825 * 2 = 0.165
0.4675 * 1 = 0.4675
The sum is 1.5325 so you can expect to attack twice 53.25% of the time with both traits.

As well as virtue stone weps, where DAs can proc. Say you have 20% chance to da, w/ 50% stone proc, would you say your you average 1.7 attacks per round? or how would you calculate that?

With jailer weapons, the possibilities are a little more complex since you can attack twice, and both of those attacks can double attack.
The possibilities become:
Attack once, no double attack = (1 - 0.45) * (1 - 0.15) = 0.4675
Attack once, double attack = (1 - 0.45) * 0.15 = 0.0825
Attack twice, no double attacks = 0.45 * (1 - 0.15) * (1 - 0.15) = 0.325125
Attack twice, first double attack = 0.45 * 0.15 * (1 - 0.15) = 0.057375
Attack twice, second double attack = 0.45 * (1 - 0.15) * 0.15 = 0.057375
Attack twice, both double attack = 0.45 * 0.15 * 0.15 = 0.010125
The sum of all possibilities is 1.
Multiply each possibility's probability by the number of attacks and sum to find expected attacks per round:
0.4675 * 1 = 0.4675
0.0825 * 2 = 0.165
0.325125 * 2 = 0.65025
0.057375 * 3 = 0.172125
0.057375 * 3 = 0.172125
0.010125 * 4 = 0.0405
The sum is 1.6675 expected attacks per round.

[cdgreg]

1. Unless you really need Ovinnik Hide for a specific craft don't try to farm it. Just skip it if you are leveling leather, and I will try and check what I did to skip it if that is what you are doing.

2. Funny you should mention that, while I don't know if there is an in-game plug-in that will do this, you could use FFXI Calculator for that. I believe I have the most recent version before it went down. And I believe FFXIGear is working on something like that.

1.) Upgrading corsair's tricorn to +1 and while I'd probably pay the ridiculous price of 30k for one leather if it was up on the AH there isn't one. I have 100+3 leather on a mule so I really just need a hide.

2.) thanks everyone for the easy mac recommendation. Downloadinging now.

[Cream Soda]

Do you mean 1.6675 EXTRA attacks?

I was particularly referring to faith baghs and h2h are guaranteed 2 attack per round

[liggy 0]

1. How bad is the drop rate on Ovinnik Hide's without TH?

about 1/6 while i was farming them for duel chapeau+1, farmed a few extras for my other pieces and for some other members

[Ultimagi]

Do you mean 1.6675 EXTRA attacks?

I was particularly referring to faith baghs and h2h are guaranteed 2 attack per round

That is 1.6675 total attacks.
Faith Baghnakhs come out to 3.335 total attacks, including both fists, with the same assumptions.
The set of possibilities is huge;
NN
NONN
NODN
NOND
NODD
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ONND
ONDD
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ONNONN
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DODD
DD

[Cream Soda]

That is 1.6675 total attacks.
Faith Baghnakhs come out to 3.335 total attacks, including both fists, with the same assumptions.
The set of possibilities is huge;
NN
NONN
NODN
NOND
NODD
ND
ONNN
ONDN
ODNN
ODDN
ONND
ONDD
ODND
ODDD
ONNONN
ONNODN
ONNOND
ONNODD
ODNONN
ODNODN
ODNOND
ODNODD
ONDONN
ONDODN
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DONN
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DD

Also posiblity of kick xD!

[trixter]

Footwork... does it have any relevance anywhere in the game except the occasional DK?
What about subbing WAR and having max haste from equips/spells except for feet?

[Cream Soda]

Footwork... does it have any relevance anywhere in the game except the occasional DK?
What about subbing WAR and having max haste from equips/spells except for feet?

You'd be better of subbing war, using max haste equip/spells w/o footwork.

[CDF]

We know Joyeuse's Occasionally Attacks Twice and Double Attack can't both happen in 1 attack, and the laws of commutativity save us the trouble of determining which takes precedence.

The order doesn't matter because a DA is a DA regardless of the source. If anything, it is thought that DA (if anyone thinks at all) comes before Joyeuse's property only from analogy to the likes of Ridill, Mercurial Kris, and Kraken Club. (Obviously, the commutativity argument is invalid for these.)

With jailer weapons, the possibilities are a little more complex since you can attack twice, and both of those attacks can double attack.

I would sincerely be interested in some evidence (data) showing DA can stack with virtue weapons. Perhaps one-handed or Faith Baghnakhs are different than the two-handers, but I personally have collected data that provides poor evidence that they can stack with Fortitude Axe.

"I parsed it in Dynamis" doesn't count.

[Velecic]

I want to .dat swap both Mirke Wardecors and Anwig Salade, does anyone know which DATs they are? Thanks for the help.
EDIT : For Hume Female, forgot to put this the first time. Though if someone can link me to an updated .dat listing or model viewer that'd be great.

[Yugl]

FFXIGEAR.com v FFXIGEAR.com

For a Jump set. Note that Jump carries a (.5) VIT modifier. In both sets, Critical hit merits + maxed weapon merits are assumed. Also, Drachen's Feet+1 grant 10% ATT to Jumps. Aside from the ATT/VIT/STR difference is the question of maxed critical hit DEX v 5% DA.

[Wolfknight]

FFXIGEAR.com v FFXIGEAR.com

For a Jump set. Note that Jump carries a (.5) VIT modifier. In both sets, Critical hit merits + maxed weapon merits are assumed. Also, Drachen's Feet+1 grant 10% ATT to Jumps. Aside from the ATT/VIT/STR difference is the question of maxed critical hit DEX v 5% DA.

really I'd think DA might win cause is dmg and tp, while dex is only dmg, and extra ws from DA might make it win but I am not sure.

[liggy 0]

i have never seen anyone use full jump with full ares, except those who use it full time ares. ares legs, +1feet,askar body/ares body and build around it, is the norm. luckily for me mithras get away with the extra dex :3

[Max™]

I would sincerely be interested in some evidence (data) showing DA can stack with virtue weapons. Perhaps one-handed or Faith Baghnakhs are different than the two-handers, but I personally have collected data that provides poor evidence that they can stack with Fortitude Axe.

"I parsed it in Dynamis" doesn't count.

Wait, are you saying your Fort axe never swings three times?

Cause... that is a job trait double activating on the same round as a virtue stone double... what am I missing here?