What's Better?

[FailureMidgard]

Nobushi is the best alternative during TP phase. Trades off Haste+3% for Acc+4 5-hit Attack+50 Double attack+1%, and since I don't have Usu, there's no better option. Using hands or head is pointless since both Acc+17 and Haste+4% increase melee DoT and WS frequency whereas Attack+100 would only increase melee DoT. And if you don't have coselete available for SAM usage, then I don't really see it being very viable at all, Korazin really isn't an option if you're eating riceballs/kabobs, even with full merits you'll barely hit 80% accuracy.

Uhh, except you're also not using sushi, so may want to add a lot more accuracy to that loss. I'd probably rather use Askar body with sushi, and try to grab Cuch Mantle/etc to make up a little more accuracy.

In fact, I'd rather use those feet without Rice Balls than with....

[Knyghtmayre]

Base DEX68, DEX+29 in gear, DEX+3 from riceball puts me at 100DEX :<

edit:
Why would you rather use Acc+4 Store TP+4 instead of Acc+4 Store TP+4 Attack+50 Double attack+1% DEX+3? Unless you mean that with riceball(+feet) and korazin your accuracy would be abysmal, which was my entire point.

[FailureMidgard]

Base DEX68, DEX+29 in gear, DEX+3 from riceball puts me at 100DEX :<

Doesn't matter, the crit increase is equal to or better than 2 attack, and 3 dex as a mod will far outdo 2 attack on penta.

And in response to your edit, I'd rather use sushi. With my build (Which I think has more acc than yours across the board), sushi is the best choice. I'll admit I haven't done the math on your specifics, but I'd still think sushi would win out.
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[Dowzer]

Would Rose Strap be a consideration?

[Knyghtmayre]

During TP phase maybe, but during WS you would be at a severe disadvantage. Assuming 30tp:70ws, and the effect that 150 attack has on Penta vs whatever you use in those slots, which assuming sushi, you would be stacking attack. Attack+8+22+8=38, so a 112 attack deficit on every WS is basically 2 extra minuets for me, which even if your accuracy@TP is 100% (vs my 88%) shouldn't make up for that. Lightning bow+1 isn't a bad idea though, I used to have one for that exact reason, but everyone kept demanding that a crit boost from 3DEX isn't significant at all and to just get tiphia etc etc, I think I still have the bow lying around though.

[Starr]

Rice balls give +150 attack with only 1 enhance piece?

[Knyghtmayre]

Rice balls give +150 attack with only 1 enhance piece?

Attack+50 Double attack+1% per piece; TP in feet, WS in all 3.

[Starr]

I am confused but I really think that meat is by far better than Sushi at Greater Colibri because you can get a lot of Accuracy easy in gear for WS that you wouldn't normally TP in cus you want Haste but most damage is from WS so should cater to that more.

Edit: fuck I did not know you could do that wow, you can swap them in and it works?

[FailureMidgard]

During TP phase maybe, but during WS you would be at a severe disadvantage. Assuming 30tp:70ws, and the effect that 150 attack has on Penta vs whatever you use in those slots, which assuming sushi, you would be stacking attack. Attack+8+22+8=38, so a 112 attack deficit on every WS is basically 2 extra minuets for me, which even if your accuracy@TP is 100% (vs my 88%) shouldn't make up for that. Lightning bow+1 isn't a bad idea though, I used to have one for that exact reason, but everyone kept demanding that a crit boost from 3DEX isn't significant at all and to just get tiphia etc etc, I think I still have the bow lying around though.

You have +26str, +35dex, 48acc, 38attk + riceball (3dex, 3da, 150attk)

With 68 base dex, 240 natural skill, you're at:

200+40*.9+48+106*.75=248+36+79=363 acc? I'm unsure on your merits, if you have 8 that's 377 acc.
(That also assumed af+1 hand, not NQ...)

You also have more accuracy on your TP set than you do your WS set, so if you're parsing 88%, I'd expect more around 85% on your penta hits.

Also, your little attack values are wrong. All you did was replace those 3 pieces with attack pieces, which is way off. Potent Belt is crap, Warwolf gives you another 2str and 5 dex, which is another 1.5 base dmg (you aren't even at fSTR cap atm). Usu leg gives another 10 attack (maybe you don't have those, if you don't need the acc from dex though, 1 str >= 2 dex, so 5str/5dex >= 15dex. 8attk feet? relic? add in the 5dex also. Ulth? meh, use a str ring over that (or Iota if under acc cap).

Anyway, like I said, I haven't actually done the math, and I'll be honest, I don't really care to atm, kinda feeling lazy. The best solution is very likely to keep your riceballs, and get a madrigal in place of a minuet. Hell, it may be better for me to use the riceball shit just for WS and get a madrigal, but other DD dislike that, so depends on the party.

Anyway, 3 dex on crit is minor, but it should be ~1% crit or so at your dex level, and if someone things 2 attk isn't minor, they are retarded. My math says the 3 dex at your dex level gives you 1 more base dmg on all your pentas though. So you have 2 attk all the time vs X% crit and 1 base dmg on penta. That 1 base dmg on Penta is gonna be like half a percent increase to total damage. 2 attack out of 600 (on all damage) is 1/3rd a percent. And ya, that's ignoring the crit, which should be 1% as I said.

[FailureMidgard]

I am confused but I really think that meat is by far better than Sushi at Greater Colibri because you can get a lot of Accuracy easy in gear for WS that you wouldn't normally TP in cus you want Haste but most damage is from WS so should cater to that more.

Edit: fuck I did not know you could do that wow, you can swap them in and it works?

Accuracy on TP IS WS dmg. The best is probably riceball for WS, and have a madrigal, but sushi will beat out normal meat, for sure.

[Knyghtmayre]

Edit: fuck I did not know you could do that wow, you can swap them in and it works?

http://i32.tinypic.com/2caw44.png

[Starr]

That is so cool, which rice ball is it and what price?

[Knyghtmayre]

Tonosama Rice Ball - Bahamut - FFXIAH.com
Pretty much the only way you'll get them in large quantities is gathering mats and knowing someone with cooking 90+, but it's very cheap to synth them, comparable to mithkabob price.

[noodles355]

And I answered that as well.

What I wanna know is how much better bravos's 2% haste is over 10TP/round 1fStr and 2Acc.

If the difference is little, and I mean <1% little, then I wont bother wasting gil for a job not used for anything important.

Was also looking for input on the worth of hitting 10%tp/round instead of 9.whatever.

[Yugl]

http://i32.tinypic.com/2caw44.png

What augment is that for the Nuevo? You stated earlier that it's not worth going for without it, but if it's a normal Haubyuevo, wouldn't Hauby+1 be better for damage?

[Knyghtmayre]

STP+4 Acc+10

[Argettio]

I am not saying your need full Usu to make polearm SAM work, I am saying that without Usu you need a very different build to the normal GKT SAM gear (as you guys went through over ^^) and relies on food

Excluding the people that read this forum (and the like), I have never found someone willing to put the effort into that sort of 'pre-Usu pole set'. You can call them gimps and idiots if you want (as they are) but that won't change the fact that most 'pre-Usu pole SAMs' wear:

TP
Engetsuto|Pole|Lightning Bow||
Turban|PCC|Fowling|brutal
Haub|Hachiman Kote|Rajas|Sniper
Amemet +1|swift|byakkos|Hachiman feet

WS
Engetsuto|Pole|Lightning Bow||
Wyvern|PCC|Fowling|brutal
Haub|O kote|Rajas|flame
amemet +1|warwolf|byakkos|3 STR feet (askar, rutter or rse)

No I have no maths to prove it, but I think a average DRG with 2-3 pieces of Homam, a 6hit build (Nothing special like Aurum Cuirass, just enough to make it work) and ~2 pieces of Heca would beat the SAM above.

I know this is a slightly irrelevant discussion as we are compares gimp A vs gimp B to find out who is more gimped.

But SAM with the intelligence to make a non Usu pole set like the one described above are not common, whereas DRGs with a sensible 6hit and WS set are pretty easy to find.

[Starr]

Hey guys, a DRG with end game sea gear can be an AH SAM.

In the above example I believe it would be a wash depending on skill, where most DRGs are fucking retards.

[Argettio]

Hey guys, a DRG with end game sea gear can be an AH SAM.

In the above example I believe it would be a wash depending on skill, where most DRGs are fucking retards.

So what else from sky should a pole SAM be wearing?
So what from Sea/limbus should a pole SAM be wearing? AF+1 hands
So what from ToAU should a pole SAM be wearing? Tomoe

2 pieces of rare/ex gear to have all the non-AH gear for pole SAM.

Before Usu most of of SAMs gear is from the AH.

[Starr]

I'm saying that Usu feet are as attainable or more so than Homam Legs for most people in the least, for an example.