+6 INT Augmented Weskit Causes Sky To Fall, News at Eleven

[Conrad]

@ all the people that are saying SE is giving us what we want.

Lmfao @ soloable reskinned NMs in the same areas and the same exact items but augmented that are better than items that take work/effort to obtain. Yes this is exactly what everyone wanted!

inb4 all you care about is gear. No but that's what this topic is about so next person to make a retarded post like that bang your head against the wall a few times.

We should all go back to sky and fight those gods, everyone knows that the best gear drops from there and there's no reason ever to release any gear that rivals it.

You do realize that these augments put out at about the same rate as Salvage drops, right? That Weskit had a +6 but you know that guy was EXTREMELY lucky to get it. He could have just as easily have gotten INT-3 CHR+2 Resist Gravity+1 on it. Augmenting costs money in buying the pieces that you trade in too.

And yes, another option for people to obtain good gear is exactly what people wanted. Low-levels, 75s, and HNM players can ALL benefit from this, it's not exclusive to the melee rdms out there you know. If you're going to get butthurt because of the good fortune one person had, then there really is no hope for you.

[D44kpunk]

Hardly anyone complained when salvage bodies came out to replace dalm or PLD bodies, the reason it's retarded as I've said before is that it requires no effort, no skill, no time to get a piece of gear that's better than something in the same slot.

Re skinned NMs in the same area for old pieces of gear + some stats ftw!

[terranova]

your posts are pretty pointless as well.




My thoughts....

This is great! I also felt people would appreciate something good coming out of augments. All I ever heard before this picture was how useless FOV was, and now that it serves a purpose people bitch... i dont get it.

FFXI is a paradox, didn't you know?

[Max™]

Actually you were beaten by Maxx!

Fixed that for ya, it's a fine distinction but one worth making considering the huge qualitative difference between the two of us.

[Deader2818]

Again. It could take someone a year of doing FOV every day just to get that weskit with +6 INT

365 days x 30k for each weskit is 10,950,000 gil.

[Kupo-lox]

It all begin with a weskit
Or so the legend says....

I got a chuckle...

[Ultimagi]

Fixed that for ya, it's a fine distinction but one worth making considering the huge qualitative difference between the two of us.

Maxx is a subset of Max, so it wasn't wrong, just ambiguous.

[Seraph]

Coming this update, from the people who brought you "New content is shit if I can't get better endgame gear from it!"™...

[Knyghtmayre]

As soon as someone replicates that weskit or better, then people can bitch about it taking 5 minutes to make your year of salvage worthless. Until then, this is the same shit as getting lucky with your first three salvage runs and getting 15+25+35.

[Max™]

It was wrong and ambiguous.

[Drace]

Can someone give me an argument on to why this is bad without sounding like a disgruntled employee complaining about the new guy getting payed the same amount?

When I talk to my friends that play WoW, the usual response is something like this: "It's great, I can log on for 20-30 minutes at a time, solo/do stuff by myself and accomplish most of what I want." - Ultra casual

I honestly could give a rat's ass if Jimbo 2 week FFXI player comes out of FoV with 100% death enspell Kraken Club. The problem I have is this is a serious shift into the general direction (note I've never said this is game breaking or something I won't even try) of "ultra" casual game play, where doing events just for the fun of things, (i.e. better rewards can be obtained by soloing for 5 minutes) will get old very fast. I do enjoy the events I participate in, but if you took out the rewards for them, they would get very dull, very quickly.

For the people that love this, cool, I can see why some people would like this system. For me, I think its a step toward the type of gameplay that I will get bored of quite quickly. For the trolls in this thread, enjoy trolling. People are posting their insights/ opinions into both sides of this, with some valid points, but its batshit crazy that people have different opinions on the internet I suppose.

Troll on

[Ultimagi]

It was wrong and ambiguous.

Your face is wrong and ambiguous.

[Max™]

Though my terrible counterpart did make a very good point.

6 Int augment = Refresh + Set Bonus?

[BRP]

MMOs are all about getting items and building up your character

No, they are not. They are about playing games in an MMO environment. So instead of Diablo with less than 10, we have Diablo with 100s.

Games like Diablo are not about getting paid, they are about the player being entertained. This is the distinction between work and play. So this should only upset you if you are a worker, and not a player.

Campaign? Clamming? Pankration?

All three of these work in the same way as whatever other type of content you care to mention. You are missing the point in that whatever is entertaining is worth doing. Pankration and Clamming isn't really entertaining at all(well Pankration for a short while.) Campaign is more attached with the battle system(the game's essence) so that is at least potentially worthwhile. Specifics are pointless though.

it's possible to enjoy participating in endgame events/endgame fights and be primarily motivated by gear/character progression.

True, but what is much more sane is putting these two in reverse. You want to PLAY videogames, so your primary motivation will be to have fun/mental stimulation. Thus, most games lack this worker-motivation and still are fun(if not funner.)

but in order to progress quickly it also involves good leadership, large time investments and a high level of competence from everyone involved.

If it is a much better activity, just do it.

But yeah, go ahead and call me a moron for caring about items in an MMO, or for apparently unfounded bitching.

you mad?

[enoch]

Oh, this thread's a real treat. It's so much fun watching everyone freak the fuck out over random unknowns.

IIRC, ppl QQ'd when <50 augments were introduced because you couldn't augment anything of a higher level... and now that you can... oh boo hoo, they're too powerful. Not to wax too psychological, but I think most of the freak-out is because the hardcore folks with the pretty good gear (those who actualy parse, choose gear carefully based on the situation, etc.) are now unsure if their gear is the best for those situations. It's yet another timesink, and one that doesn't rely on skill... just time, gil, and patience. Which, yes, can sorta suck if you don't derive any fun out of the process.

I think, however, that this was a pretty-decently implemented thing. If an Usu body equivalent shows up and someone spends more time and gil making SH's or Haub's to get it augmented than it'd take to get the Usu body pieces and the imp. wootz... well, good on them. they know FoV is a risk and you're likely to end up with a bunch of random bullshit before you get the good stuff... well, go for it anyway. Get the item you really want. There will always be people out there that will want *both* items to parse them for real, in real situations, and determine which is better for their builds. Where's the problem?

I guess the one problem is that there are now (as there have been before) even more time sink events than anyone can possibly cover in one human week of gameplay. But really that can be seen as an opportunity to pick and choose the types of events you really like.

I guess... don't panic?

Edit: another thought... perhaps these augmented items real power will be in creating more diversity for jobs like SCH and PUP who have been given limited gear by-design. Just a thought.

[Crab_Cake]

I'm kind of surprised everyone is complaining about this rather than complaining about how the addons are more-or-less of SE's way of indirectly selling good in game items for real life money.

Addons:
1. Little effort on SE's part(They throw in a few fetch quests, throw in two BCNMs, make a cutscene, and call it a day).

2. Give very good gear rewards for nearly half the jobs. MNK worked so hard for Enkidu's harness, getting points, getting pop items, zeni, etc. MNK finally got Enkidu's harness.

Next thing you know, SE releases ACP and allows you to augment a body gear that is even better than Enkidu's harness. (Mirke Wardecors has +5 DEX over Enkidu's Harness)

Also, ACP only takes a day or two to beat and most of the missions are ridiculously easy(except for the one very hard BCNM at the end).

The Mog addon and the next addon will repeat the same things.

So why are so many people complaining about this "now" when it has happened ever since ACP has been released?

[Kaylia]

Yes, because Salvage Run A going 1/1 on 35 versus Salvage Run B's 0/??? certainly takes skill. Seriously, everyone must suck because the KC BCNM never drops the club. Even better, our linkshell worked so hard to tweak our bots for a claim on Nidhogg, this sucks!

Get off your high horse, there's a time to legitimately complain about FFXI and then there's bitching just to bitch. Luck is luck is fucking luck. FoV changes nothing.

No, the fucking problem is when endgame move toward retarded events, instead of something that can be somewhat fun to farm.

It wouldnt be an issue for anyone if this kind of body piece came out at the end of another limbus/salvage/cop dyna/znm system...just randomly giving away crap is boring as fuck to farm, and purely based on luck.

[Ultimagi]

Oh Altana, the multiquoting has begun... all hope is lost.

[Maxxthepenguin]

When I talk to my friends that play WoW, the usual response is something like this: "It's great, I can log on for 20-30 minutes at a time, solo/do stuff by myself and accomplish most of what I want." - Ultra casual

A) Don't bring WoW into this.
B) Your friends don't play endgame WoW.

[Necronus]

Quote:
Making 5 minutes of work override 12 million gil and a year of Salvage is just stupid.

Why

I have to agree. I know someone who built a complete Morrigan's within a week of a shell starting over a year ago. He was a level 12 BLM to boot back then ... hes in the 50's now I think. On the other hand, I can conceptually trade thousands of Weskits for years to the FOV and never see this enhancement. Constantly needing to get more FOV tabs (corrolary to getting Assault points for salvage) and potentially spending millions of gil on tons of new weskits (corrolary to building materials for salvage pieces).

Short story is that except for Assault Points, Einherjar Points, and few other items , theres ALWAYS someone who got something with 0 time or 0 money (or both) invested in something us normal folk spent years chasing.

Someone built Morrigans in a week (although the gil cost was still there), someone probably got a Ridill off their first Faf, someone probably got a Kraken Club on their first BC orb .... and now someone got this enhancement in only 1 try with 1 weskit ... seems like par for the course to me.

TLDR: Its no more stupid than anything else in FFXI.