Dear GOP, regarding Birthers

[Davricle]

Providing a birth cert. or not is a moot issue at this point. At least in terms of eligibility. The time to question if he met the requirements was prior to Inauguration day. Now that he is sitting in office, he can go on live TV and say "Fuck you all, I was born in Kenya, NEENER NEENER NEENER" and nothing would happen. There is NO court in the land that will overturn his presidency, not even if ever sitting member was Republican.

The only thing this can do, if proven true, is invalidate his running for re-election.

Now, I think birthers are fucking stupid and making anyone with even moderate conservative leanings look bad by proxy. I don't for one second believe that Obama is ineligible to be president That said, there is absolutely a difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth", which Obama has provided and is what was given to factcheck.org and a "Birth Certificate". Look up the difference if you don't believe me.

[Zosi]

Now, I think birthers are fucking stupid and making anyone with even moderate conservative leanings look bad by proxy. I don't for one second believe that Obama is ineligible to be president That said, there is absolutely a difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth", which Obama has provided and is what was given to factcheck.org and a "Birth Certificate". Look up the difference if you don't believe me.

A "Certificate of Live Birth" is what's called a "short-form" birth certificate, and as the little line on the bottom states, it is sufficient legal proof of birth for court proceedings, which includes things like running for President. If they have the names of the parents, they're just as valid as long-form ("real") birth certificates. Hawaii is one of the states that has digitized their birth records - if you ask them for a birth certificate, you'll get a short form like this, the legal "original" is now a computer database that has all the information that the long-form cert had. It's a common misconception, but the "original" birth certificate is no more important or legally valid than a short-form certificate like the one Obama provided. They're just pieces of paper, the authoritative source is a computerized database in Hawaii, and they're the ones who produce the short-form certificates.

[Davricle]

Of course you can use a short form in lieu of long form, he got elected, didn't he?

The key difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate is that a CoLB can be issued when there is no medical personal present during the birth, and can still be issued months after the fact. Certain situations would include when a woman gives birth in her home with only loved ones around.

If he was born in a Hospital, a Birth Certificate would have been issued.

Let me reiterate THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT IS FUCKING RETARDED AND A STAIN ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Doesn't mean that they don't make some valid points.

[Rhinox]

Providing a birth cert. or not is a moot issue at this point. At least in terms of eligibility. The time to question if he met the requirements was prior to Inauguration day. Now that he is sitting in office, he can go on live TV and say "Fuck you all, I was born in Kenya, NEENER NEENER NEENER" and nothing would happen. There is NO court in the land that will overturn his presidency, not even if ever sitting member was Republican.

The only thing this can do, if proven true, is invalidate his running for re-election.

Now, I think birthers are fucking stupid and making anyone with even moderate conservative leanings look bad by proxy. I don't for one second believe that Obama is ineligible to be president That said, there is absolutely a difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth", which Obama has provided and is what was given to factcheck.org and a "Birth Certificate". Look up the difference if you don't believe me.

First of all don't sell Repubicans short. They would do anything to get back into power or destroy Democratic power. Look at what they did to President Clinton.

Secondly you're pretty much perpetuating the retarded conspiracy while leaving yourself an out.

It would be like me saying I think JFK wasn't assassinated by the government and anyone who believes that is fucking stupid. But the CIA have been known to plot assassinations of world leaders If you don't believe me look it up.

So just stop

[Davricle]

First of all don't sell Repubicans short. They would do anything to get back into power or destroy Democratic power. Look at what they did to President Clinton.

Secondly you're pretty much perpetuating the retarded conspiracy while leaving yourself an out.

It would be like me saying I think JFK wasn't assassinated by the government and anyone who believes that is fucking stupid. But the CIA have been known to plot assassinations of world leaders If you don't believe me look it up.

So just stop

1) I never said Repubs didn't want back in power. Dems would do the same thing in this position

2) Don't get me started with Clinton.

3) I perpetuated no conspiracy, said how groundless I found it, and said how idiotic the group was. What I also did was shine light on the fact that Obama seems to be dancing around the issue and providing a CoLB instead of a BC. Sorry if that makes you so upset.

4) No, I don't think I will stop. I'm exercising my right of free speech that you libs seem to preach about so much.

5) I don't need a silly .gif in my sig making fun of the opposite party to make myself seem like I know what I am talking about.

[zoobernut]

Of course you can use a short form in lieu of long form, he got elected, didn't he?

The key difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate is that a CoLB can be issued when there is no medical personal present during the birth, and can still be issued months after the fact. Certain situations would include when a woman gives birth in her home with only loved ones around.

If he was born in a Hospital, a Birth Certificate would have been issued.

Let me reiterate THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT IS FUCKING RETARDED AND A STAIN ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Doesn't mean that they don't make some valid points.

That is a really stupid stance. By that token a lot of people are not considered natural born citizens because they were born at home. I know I was borne at home and did not get a birth certificate until after I was born. But that doesn't mean I am ineligible for presidency or not a natural born citizen.

If that is true then the system is flawed for determining if someone is born in the USA or not.

[Davricle]

If that is true then the system is flawed for determining if someone is born in the USA or not.

This is the point I was trying to make zoo. And no, I never said you aren't an American citizen because you have a CoLB. I'm pointing out its flawed. Again, I do believe he was born here, I just don't see why hes dancing around the issue.

[Rhinox]

1) I never said Repubs didn't want back in power. Dems would do the same thing in this position

2) Don't get me started with Clinton.

3) I perpetuated no conspiracy, said how groundless I found it, and said how idiotic the group was. What I also did was shine light on the fact that Obama seems to be dancing around the issue and providing a CoLB instead of a BC. Sorry if that makes you so upset.

4) No, I don't think I will stop. I'm exercising my right of free speech that you libs seem to preach about so much.

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Protip: There is no such thing as free speech on the internet. Nor does it protect you from Private Institutions.

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It is only there to protect you from the government

[zoobernut]

This is the point I was trying to make zoo. And no, I never said you aren't an American citizen because you have a CoLB. I'm pointing out its flawed. Again, I do believe he was born here, I just don't see why hes dancing around the issue.

He isn't dancing around the issue. There is no issue. That is the point that I was making. A CoLB or a BC serve the exact same purpose. It is a piece of paper that says a citizen of the US had a baby and that baby is automatically a citizen of the US because it was born to a US citizen. Neither piece of paper GUARANTEES that the baby was born on US soil and both could be fudged.

Please tell me what information a BC contains that is so important that the CoLB does not.

[Rhinox]

Btw Kuya Here is the link to Video I was talking about

Olbermann Slams Bill O'Reilly, Rupert Murdoch In "World's Worst Persons" Segment (VIDEO)

[Davricle]

Wow you must be dumb.

Yea, I really just don't know how to respond. Take the fucking blinders off your eyes and learn to be open to other people's opinions. And my usage of free speech was just fine thank you. You told me to stop as if you are the Czar of the internet, and I declined.

Protip: Just cause someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them your enemy or your political rival.

[Davricle]

@zoo I already told you the important difference. a BC is given when the baby is born in a hospital and is issued when it happens (or close to it). A CoLB simply recognizes that a baby was born, and can still be issued months after the fact.

You saying that either can be fudged is defeatist. Who is to say the one he presented wasn't fudged? Kind of a catch 22.

[Rhinox]

Wow you must be dumb.

Yea, I really just don't know how to respond. Take the fucking blinders off your eyes and learn to be open to other people's opinions. And my usage of free speech was just fine thank you. You told me to stop as if you are the Czar of the internet, and I declined.

Protip: Just cause someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them your enemy or your political rival.

I pointed out how Stupid you are for saying the birthers are "fucking stupid" for their beliefs then in the very same post you are trying to say they have some valid points and credibility.

Essentially you're doing what Liz cheney and a few prominent republicans are doing and dancing around the issue not willing to entirely squash the issue for political gain.

[Dimmauk]

This is easily the lamest and worst Conspiracy theory I have ever seen. I cant believe people are actually buying into this shit.

The CIA and the FBI are in on this too right?

[zoobernut]

@zoo I already told you the important difference. a BC is given when the baby is born in a hospital and is issued when it happens (or close to it). A CoLB simply recognizes that a baby was born, and can still be issued months after the fact.

You saying that either can be fudged is defeatist. Who is to say the one he presented wasn't fudged? Kind of a catch 22.

This is exactly my point and the one you are failing to see. NOT EVERYONE IS BORN IN A HOSPITAL. So now that we understand that. When you are born at home the BC is issued at a later date at your convenience when you decide to take your child in to the hospital to get it, which can be months after the fact. BOTH papers are nothing more than a recognition of the birth of a baby. WHAT information does a BC contain that a CoLB does not?

This has nothing to do with when they were issued with relation to the birth of the child because that is not guaranteed. You are skirting around the real question.

[Rhinox]

@zoo I already told you the important difference. a BC is given when the baby is born in a hospital and is issued when it happens (or close to it). A CoLB simply recognizes that a baby was born, and can still be issued months after the fact.

You saying that either can be fudged is defeatist. Who is to say the one he presented wasn't fudged? Kind of a catch 22.

we went over this countless times already in this thread. Hell I'm sure if you reread the thread theres at least 10 different links and videos that addressed this. You have no ground to stand on my friend.

[Davricle]

I pointed out how Stupid you are for saying the birthers are "fucking stupid" for their beliefs then in the very same post you are trying to say they have some valid points and credibility.

Essentially you're doing what Liz cheney and a few prominent republicans are doing and dancing around the issue not willing to entirely squash the issue for political gain.

This is fucking hilarious. Like really. Ever hear the phrase that even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut? Yea.

And why don't you learn the facts, too. The whole notion of a birther movement began when a Demoncratic congressman posted on his blog the idea that Obama may not be American, then leaked it to republicans who championed the issue and became the birther movement. This entire shitstorm was a plan cooked up by dems to discredit and embarrass the republican party, and guess what? It's working. They preyed on the ineptitude of a niche audience to backfire on the entire party.

Insert the whole "wow you're a conspiracy theorist idiot!" I expect it, cause that's how this plan works. If anyone tries to spell it out like I did they come across as wackos!

Let the flames begin.

Oh an for the record, I'm not a conservative.

[Kerberoz]

The whole notion of a birther movement began when a Demoncratic congressman posted on his blog the idea that Obama may not be American, then leaked it to republicans who championed the issue and became the birther movement. This entire shitstorm was a plan cooked up by dems to discredit and embarrass the republican party, and guess what? It's working. They preyed on the ineptitude of a niche audience to backfire on the entire party.

If this is true, it's fucking genius.

[Jaybar]

This whole birther movement started while Obama and Hilary were still campaigning (2007 was when the BC was requested). It looks like the GOP wasn't able to dent Obama's "eligibility" one bit. The reason a Dem' would probably issue this request would have been so that Hilary could gain ground in the Democratic Primary race.

[Davricle]

If this is true, it's fucking genius.

It is true, and yes it's fucking genius.