Dear GOP, regarding Birthers

[zoobernut]

Who knows how accurate the wiki is but some interesting information on Birth Certificates:
Birth certificate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Specifically:

Birth certificates in the United States

In the U.S., the keeping of vital statistics is a state function, because it is not a power assigned by the Constitution to the federal government (under the Tenth Amendment, all powers not given to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people), and yet the federal government is extremely dependent upon this state function it lacks direct jurisdiction over, because the Fourteenth Amendment expressly grounds American citizenship upon birth in the United States (a jus soli system of citizenship).

Therefore, the federal and state governments have traditionally cooperated, to some extent, to improve vital statistics. From 1900 to 1946 the U.S. Census Bureau designed standard birth certificates, collected vital statistics on a national basis, and generally sought to improve the accuracy of vital statistics. In 1946 that responsibility was passed to the U.S. Public Health Service. Unlike the British system of recording all births in "registers", the states file an individual document for each and every birth. In most states, this document was, and still is, entitled a "Certificate of Live Birth".[4][5]

In the U.S., the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics creates standard forms that are recommended for use by the individual states to document births. However, states are free to create their own forms.[6] These "forms" are completed by the attendant at birth or a hospital administrator, which are then forwarded to a local or state registrar, who stores the record and issues certified copies when requested [1].

And:

The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances [7]. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels [11].

Well holy shit! What an amazing revelation!

Not only that but not a single birther supporter (if you at all say they bring up some good points you are a supporter even if you pretend not to be so you don't look retarded)
has addressed the fact that the background check and eligibility check for the president is probably the most stringent security check in the country. Just to get a job working in a government lab my wife had to provide her original birth certificate. Don't you think that the president would have to as well? I mean it is obvious that they would make sure he was eligible.

[Zosi]

Of course you can use a short form in lieu of long form, he got elected, didn't he?

The key difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate is that a CoLB can be issued when there is no medical personal present during the birth, and can still be issued months after the fact. Certain situations would include when a woman gives birth in her home with only loved ones around.

Completely wrong, and this shows that you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. A CoLB isn't some kind of alternative form to send in - it's a certification from the state that they have your birth registration information on file, whether as a copy of the original birth certificate or some other format. You can get a CoLB issued TODAY if you'd like, they're never original documents, because they're state-certified substitutes for the original documents. In the case of Hawaii, the authoritative copy is digital, so it's meaningless to ask to see the "real" birth certificate - the CoLB is no less "real" than any other piece of paper that the state could produce.

If he was born in a Hospital, a Birth Certificate would have been issued.

And that original paper copy isn't special any more, because the records are all computerized. It's just a piece of paper now, no more valid than a CoLB that was printed yesterday. If it still exists, it's probably buried in a storage box somewhere along with a few thousand other obsolete paper birth certificates. The state of Hawaii is perfectly within their rights to say "Fuck off, we're not getting out the original, we already gave you a CoLB that's good enough for any purpose you need."

As a side note, hospital "birth certificates" aren't legal proof of birth. The cute little certificate that they give you with your footprint on it isn't your official legal certificate, it's just a piece of paper they give your parents as a souvenir. The real birth certificate is filed with the state, and the same general form is filed whether you're born in a hospital or not. The only difference is that if you're born in a hospital, they fill out some of the paperwork for you, and there's more people to sign that they were present.

Let me reiterate THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT IS FUCKING RETARDED AND A STAIN ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Doesn't mean that they don't make some valid points.

No, they just play on misconceptions about birth certificates, which are extremely common. This is no more valid of a point than any of their others, you just fell for it.

[zoobernut]

Zosi that is exactly my point about the BC if you are born at home your parents have to fill out the paperwork which means that sometimes it is not filed until months after you were born. I think I was almost 2 months old by the time my birth certificate paperwork was filed and sent in because I was born at home. In the end both pieces of paper are equally legal and equally accurate.

[Davricle]

@ Zosi K.

I actually like you zoob so I'm going to just not respond to you.

[zoobernut]

ok...

[Olo401]

Well holy shit! What an amazing revelation!

Not only that but not a single birther supporter (if you at all say they bring up some good points you are a supporter even if you pretend not to be so you don't look retarded) has addressed the fact that the background check and eligibility check for the president is probably the most stringent security check in the country. Just to get a job working in a government lab my wife had to provide her original birth certificate. Don't you think that the president would have to as well? I mean it is obvious that they would make sure he was eligible.

Birthers don't give a shit about any of this. Their only motivation is to not have Obama as president, because they're for the most part a bunch of ultra-conservative brownshirts.

[Davricle]

brownshits.

OT: There are other colors of shits?

[zoobernut]

Well when I was a baby I ate a blue paper napkin and had blue shits for a day or two.... or so my mother told me.

[Olo401]

OT: There are other colors of shits?

kekek.. fixed

tho I suppose shits might be applicable

[Rhinox]

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Really Judge Alito?

[pohibaba]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...reme_court.php

Really Judge Alito?

That's Justice Alito to you, son.

[Kuya]

Maddow just explained that this is standard procedure done so the person requesting of the SC doesn't continue to bother them. It doesn't necessarily mean he empathized with her.

[kuronosan]

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.