Dear GOP, regarding Birthers

[Leif]

I don't know about you, but I think Glenn Beck has a lot more credibility than B. Hussein Obama. How's that bailout working? 9.5% unemployment? That can't be right! The Obamessiah said it wouldn't go past 8%!

What is with you people and only criticizing the least significant things I say? At least my previous points stand uncontested.

Glenn Beck quotes

How, exactly, is that "fear mongering". Is he really trying to "scare" people into worshiping his "radical agenda"? If you honestly answer yes to that question... well, I don't know what I'll do besides recommend you to the spot the crazy birth certificate lady opened up.

You simply can't take personal opinions, which are based on his observations, historical patterns, and liberal lies, and label them "fear mongering" and unworthy of being listened to. Move on from that label too. Nobody is trying to use fear as a weapon in order to win votes. You know better than that.

[Cephius]

I think he meant stimulus bill. The bailout is indirectly related to the economic mess. The stimulus was for economic stimulation. And it is true that the stimulus bail was a relative failure, seeing as how they spent a fraction fo what they should have spent, when they spent much more on the bailout, which was also an absolute failure.

I agree the stimulus didn't go as planned. But I think calling the bailout an "absolute failure" is wrong, considering not even Republicans opposed it and said "nah, lets just let those companies fail instead". We won't know if it was successful or not until some of these bailed out companies turn around and start paying back the government loans. If they do and return to being profitable companies, then the bailout was successful at least in that sense, no? Either way, it's still too early to tell.

[Cephius]

How, exactly, is that "fear mongering". Is he really trying to "scare" people into worshiping his "radical agenda"? If you honestly answer yes to that question... well, I don't know what I'll do besides recommend you to the spot the crazy birth certificate lady opened up.

You simply can't take personal opinions, which are based on his observations, historical patterns, and liberal lies, and label them "fear mongering" and unworthy of being listened to. Move on from that label too. Nobody is trying to use fear as a weapon in order to win votes. You know better than that.

Trying to tie the worst terrorist attacks in our nation's history to Obama's spending plan isn't fear mongering? Having a guy on the show who says he hopes America is attacked again is a good thing to you? I mean... christ.

As much as I wish Glenn Beck was just another yahoo screaming on the street corner, he isn't. He has a show on a television network that (ill advised) people watch. He doesn't get a pass for inciting fear and hate in people just because he doesn't agree with Obama's policies.

[Leif]

I agree the stimulus didn't go as planned. But I think calling the bailout an "absolute failure" is wrong, considering not even Republicans opposed it and said "nah, lets just let those companies fail instead". We won't know if it was successful or not until some of these bailed out companies turn around and start paying back the government loans. If they do and return to being profitable companies, then the bailout was successful at least in that sense, no? Either way, it's still too early to tell.

With all due respect, that bill was rammed through just like the health care bill and the cap & tax bill. Nobody had a chance to read it.

And do you really think Obama is going to let them just "pay back" those loans? Come on. He wants to control the auto industry. In his mind: because they need government help. In other people's minds: the government knows as much about running car production and marketing as they know about health care and climate change.

Trying to tie the worst terrorist attacks in our nation's history to Obama's spending plan isn't fear mongering? Having a guy on the show who says he hopes America is attacked again is a good thing to you? I mean... christ.

He showed an effective pattern of everything happening that the liberals said wouldn't happen. Just because he used some very intense moments in history doesn't make him a fear monger. I don't think 9/11 is particularly scary anymore. I mean... it's over.

[Cephius]

With all due respect, that bill was rammed through just like the health care bill and the cap & tax bill. Nobody had a chance to read it.

And do you really think Obama is going to let them just "pay back" those loans? Come on. He wants to control the auto industry. In his mind: because they need government help. In other people's minds: the government knows as much about running car production and marketing as they know about health care and climate change.

Ah yes, it was his plan all along to control the auto industry. He wants to be the first to drive that new GM concept car!

Just like his parents conspired to hide their son's birth certificate.... incase one day he became President.

9/11 isn't scary anymore? I guess you don't live in the area. Try seeing it happen, having people you know who worked in those buildings, then come back and tell me it "isn't scary anymore". Asshole.

[Atreides]

apparently he's a foreign born Emperor Palpatine

or Hitler, let's grant him emergency powers so he can round up all the white people in concentration camps

[sephir]

well most of the stimulus bill was in tax cuts and funds to help the social safety net. Unlike China's stimulus bill which is almost all infrastructure stimulus yours is not meant solely to create jobs, its more of a sustain the economy bill.


The bailout was an unfortunate necessity. The reality of multiple large bank failures would cause immeasureable damage to the economy. You can only help that the banks will pay it back in full sometime in the near future.

[Kuya]

I agree the stimulus didn't go as planned. But I think calling the bailout an "absolute failure" is wrong, considering not even Republicans opposed it and said "nah, lets just let those companies fail instead". We won't know if it was successful or not until some of these bailed out companies turn around and start paying back the government loans. If they do and return to being profitable companies, then the bailout was successful at least in that sense, no? Either way, it's still too early to tell.

The bailout money was not used for lending, ergo the purpose of the bailout became moot. Furthermore, the mechanics of the bailout money essentially worked in such a way that, for example, if they made loses, the loss wouldn't be theirs, but the tax payers, essentially making it so the companies can't fail, and therefore have no reason to behave efficiently and in the end they will simply just take in more risk, which was partly what created this in the first place.

Furthermore, many economists have said that the banks themselves are insolvent, and the securities they created are such a mess that nobody, not even the ones who created them can untangle them, so the whole point of keeping the banks under the control of those who made the mess also became moot.

Go read up on what the economists are saying. The bailout was just that, an absolute failure.

[Mizango]

Ceph lets make a deal, Ill let you guys ban me for 6mos if you guys ban Lief forever. I'd post it to Aurik but I probably would finish my sentence to be honest. Wait no, he'll play himself off as some kind of GOP martyr or some shit.

I really don't think he's that stupid, even he cant believe three quarters of the shit that comes out of his mouth. I will give him one thing though, he is really good at making excuses. I mean, I guess in the grand scheme of things Beckwin needs a punching bag too, I can't be mad.

[Olo401]

Really? Are you honestly trying to pin this one on the GOP? Where, exactly, did the GOP endorse or support this nutjob?

(OK Senator Tom) Coburn backing Birther bill - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

From H.R. 1503: To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of... (GovTrack.us) :

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1248361907

And finally from the Voice of the GOP himself - Limbaugh: 'Obama has yet to prove he's a citizen'

[zoobernut]

Just because he used some very intense moments in history doesn't make him a fear monger. I don't think 9/11 is particularly scary anymore. I mean... it's over.

This is exactly what fear mongering is. It is playing off of peoples fears in order to get them to agree with your own agenda. 9/11 may not be scary to you but there are a lot of people out there whether you agree with it or not who are genuinely still afraid. They are fearful of the world outside of the USA. Making statements like that is using their fear to his advantage.

[Cephius]

Ceph lets make a deal, Ill let you guys ban me for 6mos if you guys ban Lief forever. I'd post it to Aurik but I probably would finish my sentence to be honest. Wait no, he'll play himself off as some kind of GOP martyr or some shit.

I really don't think he's that stupid, even he cant believe three quarters of the shit that comes out of his mouth. I will give him one thing though, he is really good at making excuses. I mean, I guess in the grand scheme of things Beckwin needs a punching bag too, I can't be mad.

Banning you is no fun though. I'd rather make you put "Delomme is clutch" in your sig or change your title to "John Fox for GM of the Panthers!"

[Shuvo]

Ahhh I love watching American politics. <3

[Dimmauk]

(OK Senator Tom) Coburn backing Birther bill - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

From H.R. 1503: To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of... (GovTrack.us) :

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1248361907

And finally from the Voice of the GOP himself - Limbaugh: 'Obama has yet to prove he's a citizen'

But, but....Its only the crazy people that think Obama isnt a citizen. Why are we blaming the GOP?

Fucking pathetic. This has to be the worst conspiracy ever.

[Kuya]

Of course Americans are afraid of 9/11. They fucking freaked out at the idea of having terrorists go to... AMERICAN JAILS JESUS CHRIST. RIGHT IN YOUR BACKYARD.

[Mizango]

Banning you is no fun though. I'd rather make you put "Delomme is clutch" in your sig or change your title to "John Fox for GM of the Panthers!"

HAHA I h8u so much

[Tyr]

Can I second Mizango and also shed light on Kuya's initial post in this thread..?

[Dimmauk]

Of course Americans are afraid of 9/11. They fucking freaked out at the idea of having terrorists go to... AMERICAN JAILS JESUS CHRIST. RIGHT IN YOUR BACKYARD.

Isnt that were Jesus hangs out at? I would think sending Terrorists to jail would mean they would find Jesus there. Sounds like a winning situation to me.

[Khamsin]

I'm surprised the GOP isn't also blowing the cover off of Obama's parents' secret.

Obama is adopted, Stanley Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. were actually homosexual male partners who adopted Obama as a newborn in Hawaii, after he was abandoned there by his true African parents. He really was born in Africa about a week prior to being abandoned in Hawaii and subsequently found by Stan and Barack.

[Stiker]

(OK Senator Tom) Coburn backing Birther bill - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

From H.R. 1503: To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of... (GovTrack.us) :

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1248361907

5 TX Cosponsors...thanks guys, seriously...even one in my backyard. Only consolation I have is that I didn't vote for Marchant...but still, wtf...