Waltz Delay Minus Testing

[LordshadowRagnarok]

Alrighty, BG, I know how much you guys LOVE Dancer >_> But, I went ahead and augmented my Anwig Salade with Waltz Delay -2. Time to find out what this means and on what.

Curing Waltz:
*Normal Delay: 6 seconds
*Salade Delay: 4 seconds

Curing Waltz II:
*Normal Delay: 8 seconds
*Salade Delay: 6 seconds

Curing Waltz III:
*Normal Delay: 10 seconds
*Salade Delay: 8 seconds

Curing Waltz IV:
*Normal Delay: 17 seconds
*Salade Delay: 15 seconds

Healing Waltz:
*Normal Delay: 15 seconds
*Salade Delay: 13 seconds

Divine Waltz:
*Normal Delay: 13 seconds
*Salade Delay: 11 seconds

Waltzes Under Trance
*Normal Delay: 6 seconds
*Salade Delay: 4 seconds

Well... there you have it BG: The -2 means a static -2 seconds.
Mind you, this increases the potency of Trance by about 28% (-33% waltz delay, but -5% potency from lost Etoile Tiara)
It's also a good macro piece for Healing Waltz, making its waltz timer penalty a little more reasonable.
It also allows for more spamming of Divine Waltz for possible DNC tanking.

[Shibayama]

Nice! The testing is appreciated. However, I wish that augment was on something other than the head... Kind of an odd move by SE seeing as how the DNC relic head already gives Waltz Potency +5%. I guess its making a choice between curing for slightly more or curing slightly faster (though yer points on healing waltz, trance and divine waltz are all valid as well)

[Silenka]

That's interesting, I wouldn't choose it over 5% waltz potency personally unless there was another timer- gear for waltzes, simply because (for what I use dnc for) anytime I really need that extra 2 seconds someone is going to end up dying anyway due to waltzes all being on the same timer. If it could be kicked down -4 then yeah definitely would take it over waltz potency.

[Spekkio]

i would think it would be more important for /dnc since they don't get the potency+ hats and they tend to spam the smaller cures that are more greatly affected by the hat due to the shorter recasts. still very interesting.

[LordshadowRagnarok]

I'm about to go out and test if it has the same effect on /DNC waltzes. Results posted later today.

[LordshadowRagnarok]

Curing Waltz (TH75/DNC37):
*Normal Delay: 6 seconds
*Salade Delay: 4 seconds

Curing Waltz II (TH75/DNC37):
*Normal Delay: 8 seconds
*Salade Delay: 6 seconds

Healing Waltz (THF75/DNC37):
*Normal Delay: 15 seconds
*Salade Delay: 13 seconds

Divine Waltz (THF75/DNC37):
*Normal Delay: 13 seconds
*Salade Delay: 11 seconds

Looks like it's still a static -2 seconds /DNC as well.

[Talrandir]

Mind you, this increases the potency of Trance by about 28% (-33% waltz delay, but -5% potency from lost Etoile Tiara).

It's actually even better, a potential 50% bonus to the healing output of Trance (compared to +5% on the Tiara, or about a 43% boost over the Tiara). That's the maximum potential, of course, assuming no time lost and no over-curing and so forth (rather unlikely, but theoretically possible!).

Here's the potential bonus to HP cured over time with the Salade for all Waltz tiers, under the assumption that you're riding your waltz timer and never over-curing, compared to head gear with equivalent CHR.

Curing Waltz +50%
Curing Waltz II +33%
Curing Waltz III +25%
Curing Waltz IV +13%
Divine Waltz +18%

So, under certain conditions, this stat can help you pump out more HP curing over time than the Tiara, but that's at the cost of increased TP expenditure, especially at the lower waltz tiers (which are also the least HP/TP-efficient). The Tiara provides a much smaller boost to HP curing, but it doesn't depend on timer-riding and it's also a boost to HP/TP efficiency.

The major question that came up for me was whether this large boost to the lower waltz tiers should alter curing strategy if there's a lot of HP to cure quickly and the Salade is equipped. For example, if you had the TP to burn, would it be faster to spam multiple Curing Waltz IIs rather than a couple of Curing Waltz IIIs?

However, for any practical value of VIT+CHR, the waltz tiers maintain their order in terms of potential HP/second. They even mostly maintain their order when compared between Salade and Tiara (i.e. Curing Waltz is slowest no matter what you're wearing, and Curing Waltz II is the next slowest regardless of headgear). Salade Curing Waltz IV comes up neck-and-neck with Tiara Curing Waltz III, and the Salade can push Curing Waltz III beyond Tiara Divine Waltz, but Tiara Curing Waltz III remains solidly ahead of Salade Curing Waltz II.

For example, here are the HP/second numbers for the Salade versus the Tiara, assuming 150 VIT+CHR, Casaque, Roundel, and non-Campaign Plectrum. (Roundel and Plectrum have only a very minor effect on the crossover points for the different waltzes, so the situation is the same with or without them, even when Plectrum activates in Campaign. But larger numbers are fun.)

Spoiler: show

150 VIT+CHR, Casaque, Roundel, 1% Plectrum

            HP/second  TP/second  HP/TP
DW  Salade   61.7       3.64       16.97
CW3 Salade   55.5       6.25        8.87
DW  Tiara    54.5       3.08       17.70
CW4 Salade   46.4       4.33       10.71
CW3 Tiara    46.3       5.00        9.26
CW4 Tiara    42.7       3.82       11.17
CW2 Salade   39.6       5.83        6.79
CW2 Tiara    31.0       4.38        7.09
CW  Salade   28.3       5.00        5.66
CW  Tiara    19.7       3.33        5.90

DW numbers assume an average VIT+CHR of 150

So overall, for DNC main, the Salade with waltz delay down an interesting trade-off with the Tiara, definitely super-awesome for Trance, and certainly helpful for Healing Waltz.

[LordshadowRagnarok]

It's actually even better, a potential 50% bonus to the healing output of Trance (compared to +5% on the Tiara, or about a 43% boost over the Tiara). That's the maximum potential, of course, assuming no time lost and no over-curing and so forth (rather unlikely, but theoretically possible!).

Here's the potential bonus to HP cured over time with the Salade for all Waltz tiers, under the assumption that you're riding your waltz timer and never over-curing, compared to head gear with equivalent CHR.

Curing Waltz +50%
Curing Waltz II +33%
Curing Waltz III +25%
Curing Waltz IV +13%
Divine Waltz +18%

So, under certain conditions, this stat can help you pump out more HP curing over time than the Tiara, but that's at the cost of increased TP expenditure, especially at the lower waltz tiers (which are also the least HP/TP-efficient). The Tiara provides a much smaller boost to HP curing, but it doesn't depend on timer-riding and it's also a boost to HP/TP efficiency.

The major question that came up for me was whether this large boost to the lower waltz tiers should alter curing strategy if there's a lot of HP to cure quickly and the Salade is equipped. For example, if you had the TP to burn, would it be faster to spam multiple Curing Waltz IIs rather than a couple of Curing Waltz IIIs?

However, for any practical value of VIT+CHR, the waltz tiers maintain their order in terms of potential HP/second. They even mostly maintain their order when compared between Salade and Tiara (i.e. Curing Waltz is slowest no matter what you're wearing, and Curing Waltz II is the next slowest regardless of headgear). Salade Curing Waltz IV comes up neck-and-neck with Tiara Curing Waltz III, and the Salade can push Curing Waltz III beyond Tiara Divine Waltz, but Tiara Curing Waltz III remains solidly ahead of Salade Curing Waltz II.

For example, here are the HP/second numbers for the Salade versus the Tiara, assuming 150 VIT+CHR, Casaque, Roundel, and non-Campaign Plectrum. (Roundel and Plectrum have only a very minor effect on the crossover points for the different waltzes, so the situation is the same with or without them, even when Plectrum activates in Campaign. But larger numbers are fun.)

Spoiler: show

150 VIT+CHR, Casaque, Roundel, 1% Plectrum

            HP/second  TP/second  HP/TP
DW  Salade   61.7       3.64       16.97
CW3 Salade   55.5       6.25        8.87
DW  Tiara    54.5       3.08       17.70
CW4 Salade   46.4       4.33       10.71
CW3 Tiara    46.3       5.00        9.26
CW4 Tiara    42.7       3.82       11.17
CW2 Salade   39.6       5.83        6.79
CW2 Tiara    31.0       4.38        7.09
CW  Salade   28.3       5.00        5.66
CW  Tiara    19.7       3.33        5.90

DW numbers assume an average VIT+CHR of 150

So overall, for DNC main, the Salade with waltz delay down an interesting trade-off with the Tiara, definitely super-awesome for Trance, and certainly helpful for Healing Waltz.

I'm hoping to see some Waltz delay - on Ogre Jambiya