Is Rindomaru worth it?

[Kipling]

I don't have a polearm build but my excuse is that I have 66 base str so it doesn't matter anyways. TAKE THAT

[hagun]

Forgot Hachiman kote for polearm SAM. 5-hit.

[Drai]

Dear Ringthree,

So I was skimming through this post and yet again found you making the same assine statement about SAM's having a Polearm build. Do everyone a favor and either get over the fact that you SHOULD have a polearm build for SAM or for the love of everything holy, STOP REPEATING THIS IDIOTIC STATEMENT.



Let's forget about the utility of having a polearm build on SAM for the moment and just focus on the logistics. Those of you who are not useless idiots who have a simple understanding of the game are excused from reading what you already know...

To have a Polearm build on SAM, your "average" SAM needs hardly any additional items. Let's examine "typical" TP/WS sets for GK and Polearm shall we. Again I apologize to the masses but I am so sick of reading the same nonsense coming out of your mouth...

Let's use some nameless SAM's gear sets (looking at you Puggles)

TP - GK
main Hagun
sub Pole Grip
ear1 Bushinomimi
ear2 Brutal Earring
body Haubergeon +1
head Ace's Helm
neck Peacock Charm
hands Dusk Gloves
ring1 Rajas Ring
ring2 Sniper's Ring +1
back Cerberus Mantle
waist Swift Belt
legs Byakko's Haidate
feet Usukane Sune-Ate
ammo Black Tathlum

TP- POLEARM
main Tomoe
sub Pole Grip
ear1 Fowling Earring
ear2 Brutal Earring
body Haubergeon +1
head Ace's Helm
neck Love Torque
hands Dusk Gloves
ring1 Rajas Ring
ring2 Sniper's Ring +1
back Cerberus Mantle
waist Swift Belt
legs Byakko's Haidate
feet Usukane Sune-Ate
ammo Black Tathlum

WOW! What a difference. It just boggles my mind. Let’s continue, shall we.

WS - GK
main Hagun
sub Pole Grip
ear1 Bushinomimi
ear2 Brutal Earring
body Kirin’s Osode
head Gnadbhod's Helm
neck Snow Gorget
hands Alkyoneus's Brc.
ring1 Rajas Ring
ring2 Triumph Ring
back Smilod. Mantle +1
waist Warwolf Belt
legs Byakko's Haidate
feet Askar Gambieras
ammo Olibanum Sachet

WS- POLEARM
main Tomoe
sub Pole Grip
ear1 Fowling Earring
ear2 Brutal Earring
body Haubergeon +1
head Gnadbhod's Helm
neck Love Torque
hands Noritsune Kote
ring1 Rajas Ring
ring2 Triumph Ring
back Cerberus Mantle
waist Warwolf Belt
legs Byakko's Haidate
feet Usukane Sune-Ate
ammo Black Tathlum

Items in Bold are “additional” items you would need to carry. Oh man! Check out all that extra gear. Check out all that effort!

Now seriously, did your parents have any children that lived?

Let’s examine all this hard to get gear;

Tomoe – yes so hard to 3-4 man Armed gears for arguably the “best” polearm a SAM can use.
Love Torque – any endgame shell will just GIVE you this. Just ask….
Fowling Earring – most servers 100kish. Big whoop
Noritsune Kote - Pug only uses this cause he doesn’t have AF+1 hands. I would argue AF+1 is better but that’s just because I have them and he doesn’t. Either way he is already carrying these for high EVA mobs we can assume.

Which gets us to the point; at best a “good” SAM has to carry 2, count them, 2 extra items then they would normally;
A Tomoe and a Love torque.
Other than that there is almost nothing you wouldn’t already be carrying.

There is NO EXCUSE for not having a Polearm build on SAM. NONE.

We get it. You suck at playing SAM to its maximum potential. Just do us all a favor and shut up about it already.

I agree with this, but I think for WS build a Byrnie might not be a bad thing to carry around in for Polearm, but otherwhise this is very nice :D

[azagarth]

byrnie on penta? You either trying to woosh me or smacked upside your head?

haub+1 is by far the best penta body there is, byrnie has -dex on it an 0 acc... f that.

[Drai]

byrnie on penta? You either trying to woosh me or smacked upside your head?

haub+1 is by far the best penta body there is, byrnie has -dex on it an 0 acc... f that.

Penta thrust has 20% DEX mod and 20% STR Mod, the +25 Attack from Byrnie +1 would be way more benificial to penta thrust than the 2 ACC you'd lose, especially since penta thrust can't Crit.

[trencher]

I don't have a polearm build but my excuse is that I fail at life, so it doesn't matter anyways. TAKE THAT

FIXED!

loves my uryuu!!!

[Knyghtmayre]

Wow, 6 whole haguns for sale, huh? Out of a server population of what? Wait a year or so to see how many Valkyrie's forks are walking around and see if you can still say OMG IS SO HARD 2 GET F U HAGUN PPLS. You can buy a goddamn Vfork, you just actually have to be present and the shell would need to be capped on them, does that make it any less hard to get since it's obtainable strictly through farming gil? You see this same shit from people bitching that Bhaidate still eludes them q.q I'd rather wait in line for 2 years in this sky shell that might be able to kill Byakko by then instead of paying a couple million gil now, makes them Hastier!

[Kipling]

I'm a fucking failure, THIS IS WHY I HAVE MAGE JOBS FUCK

[Eggroll]

Penta thrust has 20% DEX mod and 20% STR Mod, the +25 Attack from Byrnie +1 would be way more benificial to penta thrust than the 2 ACC you'd lose, especially since penta thrust can't Crit.

Am I reading this wrong or did you really just say you lose only 2 accuracy from switching to haubergeon +1 to byrnie +1?

[azagarth]

Thats my whole point.. eyeroll

[Drai]

Am I reading this wrong or did you really just say you lose only 2 accuracy from switching to haubergeon +1 to byrnie +1?

no, I meant you'd lose about 2 ACC from the -3 DEX on Byrnie, Haub +1 is really nice to have and all, but if you aren't too worried about missing the 5 hits because the ACC is made up elsewhere/Hasso than the +25 Attack from byrnie +1 will do more for output than the Haubergeon +1 will, but if you're missing loads with it by all means keep the +12 ACC and +6 DEX from Hauby +1.

[Cream Soda]

no, I meant you'd lose about 2 ACC from the -3 DEX on Byrnie, Haub +1 is really nice to have and all, but if you aren't too worried about missing the 5 hits because the ACC is made up elsewhere/Hasso than the +25 Attack from byrnie +1 will do more for output than the Haubergeon +1 will, but if you're missing loads with it by all means keep the +12 ACC and +6 DEX from Hauby +1.

If you're playing PA sam to its full potential, you're going to need the acc from haub.

[Drai]

If you're playing PA sam to its full potential, you're going to need the acc from haub.

I suppose it depends what you're using it for I guess, I agree buying a Byrnie +1 for Polearm alone is a poor financial decision, was just adding it there for simple output's sake, most SAM will have hauby +1 anyways so by all means use that.

[Yugl]

Wow, 6 whole haguns for sale, huh? Out of a server population of what? Wait a year or so to see how many Valkyrie's forks are walking around and see if you can still say OMG IS SO HARD 2 GET F U HAGUN PPLS. You can buy a goddamn Vfork, you just actually have to be present and the shell would need to be capped on them, does that make it any less hard to get since it's obtainable strictly through farming gil? You see this same shit from people bitching that Bhaidate still eludes them q.q I'd rather wait in line for 2 years in this sky shell that might be able to kill Byakko by then instead of paying a couple million gil now, makes them Hastier!

I think you're the only moron here arguing that Vork is easier to obtain than Hagun. Six Haguns on the AH for anyone to pick up. If Vorks were on the AH for 3mil and there were six of them, I would have one by now. As for Haidate, some people prefer to make gil and pay the LS for them than stay with an LS that is:

1. Typically full of terrible players (I can see why you would want to join one)
2. Likely to break after three months
3. Likely to have a buddy-buddy with the leader system (Aka no point system)

In short, you're BSing yourself if you think Hagun is easier to get than Vork.

Edit: I don't think you do Einherjar. Otherwise, you wouldn't make asinine statements such as "You just have to wait for the LS to show up and hope the shell is capped on them". You need feathers to enter Odin. Don't have them? Too bad. Item doesn't drop? Too bad; you have to farm feathers again.

[Knyghtmayre]

Not once did I ever say or imply that Vfork was easier to get than Hagun. I said that Vfork is fucking easier to get than you're trying to make it out to be. It's not a goddamn Dring droprate, it's fucking 20% give or take.

[Valisk]

I said that Vfork is fucking easier to get than you're trying to make it out to be. It's not a goddamn Dring droprate, it's fucking 20% give or take.

Do you even do Odin? Have you even heard of him?

[ringthree]

Pretty much this.

Bottom line I think, if you have a Hagun you still have the best GK you can get besides Amano and Futsuno Mitsubishi or whatever the hell its called, and that one only by a small margin better.

Rindomaru I think will end up parsing just under hagun, how much depending on stats.

I also think the only way to really shut this argument down is for somebody with the mega stats +Ungodly sTP and +5% WS Damage to parse the damn thing vs Hagun.

I wouldn't know what to fight or how many, lol. Kirschy please >>

The real problem is that it will probably parse higher on Birds, and since some people think Birds are the end all, be all of damage formulation, they will declare it is universally better.

[Yugl]

Not once did I ever say or imply that Vfork was easier to get than Hagun.

Oh really?

How is there no luck factor involved in obtaining a Hagun? Sure most people just farm for it, but it has to drop for someone to sell it.

http://i28.tinypic.com/28chv0n.png

What's the point of trying to post this if you weren't?

Wow, 6 whole haguns for sale, huh? Out of a server population of what? Wait a year or so to see how many Valkyrie's forks are walking around and see if you can still say OMG IS SO HARD 2 GET F U HAGUN PPLS. You can buy a goddamn Vfork, you just actually have to be present and the shell would need to be capped on them, does that make it any less hard to get since it's obtainable strictly through farming gil? You see this same shit from people bitching that Bhaidate still eludes them q.q I'd rather wait in line for 2 years in this sky shell that might be able to kill Byakko by then instead of paying a couple million gil now, makes them Hastier!

The bold only emphasizes your point of comparison.

You're just trying to "safe face" it when it's obvious you're being a fucking idiot.

I said that Vfork is fucking easier to get than you're trying to make it out to be. It's not a goddamn Dring droprate, it's fucking 20% give or take.

No one but you is making this assertion about my post. Over half my post dealt with obtaining non-Vork items. The last few sentences in which I addressed the drop rate of Vork simply stated that it has an indefinite drop rate. Hagun allows you to partially bypass this fact since you can easily purchase one from the AH (Either one that dropped or one that is recycled; the latter unavailable for Vork). Perdu items have an even more definite rate since once you have the IS and Rank, there is absolutely no means of stopping you from obtaining the item. Anymore complaints or are you done whining?

[ronin sparthos]

Not once did I ever say or imply that Vfork was easier to get than Hagun. I said that Vfork is fucking easier to get than you're trying to make it out to be. It's not a goddamn Dring droprate, it's fucking 20% give or take.

Wiki's 20% is most likely just yoinked out someones ass. The drop is pure luck given that Odin doesnt even need to drop one his specific pieces of equipment.

[Eleven19]

The real problem is that it will probably parse higher on Birds, and since some people think Birds are the end all, be all of damage formulation, they will declare it is universally better.

Yep, lol. I had actually typed "Someone should parse this meriting" .. owait.

So yeah, I dunno what method would be best to compare.