Using the Race and Rape Card

[Stiker]

Seriously, why is everything about race? You talk like every "race" is on a team competing for the presidential nomination. You talk like every "race" has their own values that only they can promote. You talk like nobody outside of a "race" can help anyone outside of his or her "race".

Come on.

I know I'm going to regret asking this. But wtf is with the quotes when you use the word race.

[Khamsin]

It might encourage it, yet my original point was that we get reports of people's actions that is sensationalist, selective, half-truths. But you blame the people? On who's account? The medias? But it's reporting is sensationalist, selective and half-true.

Are you saying "racist cop" and "a celebrity raped me" stories are rumormongering by the media, and that the subjects of the stories made no such accusations? That Gates didn't really think his cop was racist, and the woman didn't think she was raped, but the media paints it that way to make it interesting?

Or that we're outraged that people use the race/rape card all the time, when it's actually rare, and we only think the race/rape cards are played out because the media doesn't cover all the times a black man is arrested and no one thinks it's racially motivated?

[Dimmauk]

Crime levels are more correlated with economic and cultural conditions than race.
Police pullovers and arrests are more correlated with whether the guy is dressed like a scumbag/thug/criminal or not than his race.
Success in life in more correlated with economic and cultural conditions than race.

As far as I'm concerned, there are no real racial problems in America that warrant playing the race card. There are about a thousand more plausible and likely explanation for every situation than racism.

That is why I think Gates was pissed off, he thought would be treated like a Rich person, and instead he got treated like a...scumbag.

So are you saying the Police profile people based on their clothing?

[Absolutely Virtue]

Leif is here, I'm done.

[Leif]

So are you saying the Police profile people based on their clothing?

Suspicious behavior? Acting like thugs? Dressing like thugs?

I'm saying people are "profiled" based on their appearance, their actions, etc.

[Stumblingdrunk]

When do the different income levels get a shot at having their tax bracket represented as a US President?

No lie, if it were an (viable) option i'd have voted for them over obama...

[Lee]

I know I'm going to regret asking this. But wtf is with the quotes when you use the word race.

It's probably to emphasize the fact that the word race is being overused.

How is "Let me see some identification Sir" being treated like a scumbag?

[Olo401]

Leif is here, I'm done.

Leif is the new Godwin.

[Mizango]

Leif is here, I'm done.

Right behind you dawg.

[Dimmauk]

Suspicious behavior? Acting like thugs? Dressing like thugs?

I'm saying people are "profiled" based on their appearance, their actions, etc.

You are scared of Minorities arent you?

You are saying you profile people based on their appearance(race and how they dress) and their actions(terrorist fist bumps and speaking a foreign langauge)

Its ok to admit it, there is nothing wrong with that. I already profiled you, so anything you say wont change my mind.

[Stumblingdrunk]

So are you saying the Police profile people based on their clothing?

i'm not thrilled with siding with leif, but, RACE ASIDE, people are, always have been, and always will be judged by their appearance.

[Leif]

No lie, if it were an (viable) option i'd have voted for them over obama...

It's a better indicator of who needs "help" to succeed than race. Why isn't affirmative action based on income level instead of the color of your skin?

The police state that Gates had initially refused to show identification and that the arresting officer, Sergeant James Crowley, had given his name on demand. When Gates was told that Crowley was investigating a possible break in, Gates then stated, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?" According to police reports, Gates also insulted Crowley's mother repeatedly. When Gates repeated a request for Crowley's name, Crowley replied that he would only speak to Gates outside. Crowley stated that he desired to go outside at that time as "Gates was yelling very loud and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to EEC or other responding units".[3] Gates then followed Crowley from the house onto the porch, yelling at him.[4][5] Crowley reported that he then warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Crowley reported that he then warned Gates again while at the same time withdrawing handcuffs to arrest Gates.[6]

Gates was arrested because he refused to provide ID. Then he played the race card. Then he started saying nasty things to the police officers. Then he got angry, lost control, and suddenly though it was all about race.

It turns out, it was only because a woman thought someone was breaking and entering. This could have been prevented if this Gates person showed them ID, explained the situation, didn't act like a buffoon and had some self-control.

Seems like a valid arrest to me.

You are scared of Minorities arent you?

You are saying you profile people based on their appearance(race and how they dress) and their actions(terrorist fist bumps and speaking a foreign langauge)

Its ok to admit it, there is nothing wrong with that. I already profiled you, so anything you say wont change my mind.

Oh, I'm scarred of minorities? Is that your position. I guess the past 18 years I've lived in a city that is 80% Hispanic has made me "scared of minorities". I must have had a really traumatic childhood with all those MEXICANS everywhere. When I move to Chicago in 2 months I'll REALLY be fucked.

Please. Move on.

Edit:

Gates proffered a different version of events, stating that he established his identity, but demanded the name and badge number of the police officer, following him outside, at which time he was arrested for disorderly conduct, citing "loud and tumultuous behavior".[7] Gates and his attorney, Harvard colleague Charles Ogletree disputed the police report, with Gates alleging that he has a severe case of bronchitis contracted in China, which renders him incapable of yellin

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ouis_Gates.jpg

Look at that picture. Not only does he look crazy but he is also screaming. He is full of shit.

He is screaming, "Why am I being arrested?!" "I didnt do anything!"

But according to him, he had Chinese Bronchitis, rendering him incapable of acting like a wacko!

[Dimmauk]

He is screaming, "Why am I being arrested?!" "I didnt do anything!"

[Brill Weave]

Guartz, sometimes you post some gems. These are the times I love you. Sometimes I want to smash your head in with a crockpot, but this isn't one of them. Carry on.

[Mizango]

Oh, I'm scarred of minorities? Is that your position.

Nigga plz. Lief Garrett ain't no bitch, gotta let 'em know dawg.

[archibaldcrane]

What is "the rape card"?

Rape isn't a particularly ambiguous, open to interpretation situation here. Do you find people getting accused of rape fairly frequently? Beyond Kobe and Ben - what is that, over a year and a half, I can't think of any high profile instances.

Chicks get raped -all the fucking time-. What we hear about is a tiny sliver of the cases.

[Dimmauk]

What is "the rape card"?

Rape isn't a particularly ambiguous, open to interpretation situation here. Do you find people getting accused of rape fairly frequently? Beyond Kobe and Ben - what is that, over a year and a half, I can't think of any high profile instances.

Chicks get raped -all the fucking time-. What we hear about is a tiny sliver of the cases.

Duke Lacrosse team too.

[Mizango]

Duke Lacrosse team too.

To be fair they were simply grandstanding and trying to establish any semblance of dominance over an aggressive primate.

[Stiker]

What is "the rape card"?

Rape isn't a particularly ambiguous, open to interpretation situation here. Do you find people getting accused of rape fairly frequently? Beyond Kobe and Ben - what is that, over a year and a half, I can't think of any high profile instances.

Chicks get raped -all the fucking time-. What we hear about is a tiny sliver of the cases.

There are some situations were girls will play "the rape card" to escape additional trouble themselves.

For instance, ND has some really retarded on-campus rules regarding sex and curfews in the dorms (for opposite-sex visits) that are often broken. The penalties can go all the way up to expulsion if they want and you have to sign a contract to this affect before your freshmen year (not making this up).

I know of more than one case where a girl got caught either being in a guys room after hours (or vise-versa) or had someone suspicious of sexual activity and have cried rape to try and dodge punishment. While the case may not stick, it ends up being utter hell on the guy when he gets that surprise notification and has to go through an investigation.

Aside from ND, I know of another case were a family friend got accused of rape in high school because a girl was about to get in severe trouble with her parents for not coming home one night. The guy nearly lost a full-ride football scholarship over it.

I think that is more meant by "the rape card" in these situations (not the possible gold-digging/high-profile ones). My guess would be is that they feel it could get them to avoid some trouble and they know the case won't stick to the guy so all is well.

And this is all really a complete disservice to actual rape victims too and doesn't help with the crimes being reported when they do happen.

[tyven]

To be fair they were simply grandstanding and trying to establish any semblance of dominance over an aggressive primate.

you are killin it today