The MMA Thread of 2009-Forever

[Tekki]

I heard somewhere rampage would be on that card as well.

ya so far there is a verbal agreement between rampage and lil nog

[Kyo]

ya so far there is a verbal agreement between rampage and lil nog

If both happen, would shape up to be a fantastic card.

[archibaldcrane]

It seems like the JDS vs Roy Nelson fight will be for the title shot after Cain.

The only thing that could make up for Fedor losing would be for Roy Nelson to beat Lesnar after Lesnar "cleans out" the UFC HW division.

[Rhyis.]

If Roy ever beat Lesnar, peoples heads would explode. I'd be great.

[Krandor]

The only thing that could make up for Fedor losing would be for Roy Nelson to beat Lesnar after Lesnar "cleans out" the UFC HW division.

Unfortunately I think Lesnar is too strong for Roy Nelson's preferred strategy of holding his opponent down with his beef gut to work.

[Oreth]

Oh god i have a feeling Lesnar would loose to nelson, he would just fall to the ground laughing that they even put him up against Nelson as soon as the fight started

[Tekki]

just got a txt from a MMA buddy: "M1 global is going under. 75% backers gone and main office is closed"

"Message:
M-1 Global Closes Head Office, 'Panicking' After Fedor's Loss July 6, 2010 10:45 by Michael David Smith Ten days after Fedor Emelianenko lost to Fabricio Werdum, Fedor's promotional organization M-1 Global is in disarray as it attempts to adjust to a world in which Fedor is no longer considered the best fighter in MMA. Specifically, sources with knowledge of the situation say M-1 Global has closed its head office in the Netherlands, that some of M-1's investors have already cut ties with the organization, that officials within M-1 know they've lost most of their negotiating power, and that overall, according to one source, the people at M-1 are "panicking." Some details: Netherlands office: Although M-1 Global was widely perceived in the United States as a Russian company because of its close ties to Fedor, it actually considered its office in the Netherlands to be the global headquarters. But that's not the case anymore, as the Netherlands office has ceased to exist. M-1 Global knows it can't count on as much income from Fedor in the future as it could in the past, and closing the Netherlands office was a cost-cutting move. As mixfight.nl first reported, the employees of M -1 Netherlands no longer work with the organization, although it's not clear what will happen to Dutch fighters with M-1 contracts. Losing investors: During Fedor's reign as the sport's heavyweight king, M-1 Global had some wealthy businessmen it could count on when it needed an infusion of cash. Basically, these were businessmen who were willing to lose money on an investment in M-1 just because they liked being associated with the toughest man in the world. But Fedor no longer has that allure, and as a result those investors have signaled to M-1 that they won't be infusing any more cash in the promotion. Contract negotiations: For the last couple of years, M-1's negotiating stance has been, essentially, "We've got Fedor, and the only way you can get him is to give in to all of our demands. Take it or leave it." That worked with both Affliction and Strikeforce, because both desperately wanted the man who was generally recognized as the heavyweight champion of mixed martial arts. But now that Fedor isn't at the top of the sport anymore, the "take it or leave it" stance simply won't work. M-1 Global and Fedor had a three-fight contract with Strikeforce, and after the first fight, against Brett Rogers, M-1 went to Strikeforce and demanded some additional concessions before booking the second fight. If Fedor had beaten Werdum, you can bet more concessions would have been made to get Fedor into the third fight of his deal. Now, if anything, it's going to be Strikeforce demanding that M-1 make concessions before a third fight can get booked. Panic: Fedor never viewed himself as unbeatable, but the people around him were banking on him continuing to win every single fight for years to come -- and they didn't have much of a backup plan in case he lost. Now that he has lost, the people around Fedor are panicking. Fedor himself wants to get back to the business of fighting, but the rest of the people at M-1 Global don't know if they have a business to get back to."

[noblemountain]

just got a txt from a MMA buddy: "M1 global is going under. 75% backers gone and main office is closed"

"Message:
M-1 Global Closes Head Office, 'Panicking' After Fedor's Loss July 6, 2010 10:45 by Michael David Smith Ten days after Fedor Emelianenko lost to Fabricio Werdum, Fedor's promotional organization M-1 Global is in disarray as it attempts to adjust to a world in which Fedor is no longer considered the best fighter in MMA. Specifically, sources with knowledge of the situation say M-1 Global has closed its head office in the Netherlands, that some of M-1's investors have already cut ties with the organization, that officials within M-1 know they've lost most of their negotiating power, and that overall, according to one source, the people at M-1 are "panicking." Some details: Netherlands office: Although M-1 Global was widely perceived in the United States as a Russian company because of its close ties to Fedor, it actually considered its office in the Netherlands to be the global headquarters. But that's not the case anymore, as the Netherlands office has ceased to exist. M-1 Global knows it can't count on as much income from Fedor in the future as it could in the past, and closing the Netherlands office was a cost-cutting move. As mixfight.nl first reported, the employees of M -1 Netherlands no longer work with the organization, although it's not clear what will happen to Dutch fighters with M-1 contracts. Losing investors: During Fedor's reign as the sport's heavyweight king, M-1 Global had some wealthy businessmen it could count on when it needed an infusion of cash. Basically, these were businessmen who were willing to lose money on an investment in M-1 just because they liked being associated with the toughest man in the world. But Fedor no longer has that allure, and as a result those investors have signaled to M-1 that they won't be infusing any more cash in the promotion. Contract negotiations: For the last couple of years, M-1's negotiating stance has been, essentially, "We've got Fedor, and the only way you can get him is to give in to all of our demands. Take it or leave it." That worked with both Affliction and Strikeforce, because both desperately wanted the man who was generally recognized as the heavyweight champion of mixed martial arts. But now that Fedor isn't at the top of the sport anymore, the "take it or leave it" stance simply won't work. M-1 Global and Fedor had a three-fight contract with Strikeforce, and after the first fight, against Brett Rogers, M-1 went to Strikeforce and demanded some additional concessions before booking the second fight. If Fedor had beaten Werdum, you can bet more concessions would have been made to get Fedor into the third fight of his deal. Now, if anything, it's going to be Strikeforce demanding that M-1 make concessions before a third fight can get booked. Panic: Fedor never viewed himself as unbeatable, but the people around him were banking on him continuing to win every single fight for years to come -- and they didn't have much of a backup plan in case he lost. Now that he has lost, the people around Fedor are panicking. Fedor himself wants to get back to the business of fighting, but the rest of the people at M-1 Global don't know if they have a business to get back to."

Just read this on BE and apparently M1's PR guy is denying the reports completely. I wouldn't be surprised if it is true though...they've been known to be a bit shady with the media.

[Gadritan]

Be interesting to see what comes out of the wash from this. If there's any truth to it, I feel a little bit of sympathy for Fedor. At the same time though, you can't surround yourself with vampires without expecting to get bitten.

[Rhyis.]

One could hope M-1 dies completely.

[EckoGecko]

Whats with this shit...companies putting all their resources on one fighter, you'd think they'd learn after Elite XC and Affliction died.

[Xno Kappa]

Whats with this shit...companies putting all their resources on one fighter, you'd think they'd learn after Elite XC and Affliction died.

Strikeforce right now is doing the same thing, except they're being idiots and gunning against their own champions. They brought in Dan Henderson thinking he would walk all over Jake Shields. Fedor was also their undeclared HW champion besides Overeem because they expected Fedor to stomp through the competition and eventually claim the title. Nice to see how all that worked out.

Hate Dana White or not but the man does hold one of the biggest truths to his business model;

You can't promote this business while falling in love with any given fighter.

[Krandor]

M-1 has been nursing off Fedor's teet since long before either of those 2 collapsed.

And yeah, Dana White knows how to promote. I think it's safe to say he has a hardon for Lesnar (or at least the money he makes), but they uber promoted Carwin heading in to Saturday. And still all works out for the UFC since Carwin now has a much bigger fanbase.

[Rhyis.]

You can't promote this business while falling in love with any given fighter.

Eh, you can make the argument the UFC did the same thing with Chuck.... Except it worked out.

[tyven]

Eh, you can make the argument the UFC did the same thing with Chuck.... Except it worked out.

except for when they sent chuck over to pride and rampage was like "nah nigga". I feel like TUF did a lot more for the UFC than any one fighter.

[Krandor]

Well, TUF was doing ok until they hit a fucking Grand Slam with the Griffin/Bonnar fight. But yeah, The success of that show is what skyrocketed UFC to it's current position in the mainstream.

[archibaldcrane]

The only good thing TUF has ever contributed to MMA is Big Country.

Trufax.

[Krandor]

You can't forget about Diego Sanchez's game face, or this face

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-con...ez-595x396.jpg

[Xno Kappa]

The guys a pro, blocks kicks with his face and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Tekki]

dana said no go on brock/cain @ indy =(