The MMA Thread of 2009-Forever

[Brill Weave]

I think Lesnar vs Silva would be funny to watch to be honest.

[noblemountain]

UFC 103's undercard will be airing live on Spike. That is the PPV that is going head to head with the Mayweather fight. Good idea on their part and I honestly hope they start doing this more regularly.

Undercard bouts:

- Efrain Escudero (11-0) -165 vs. Cole Miller (15-3) +135
- Dan Lauzon (12-2) vs. Rafaello Oliveira (9-1)
- Paul Daley (21-8-2) vs. Brian Foster (10-3)
- Drew McFedries (8-5) vs. Tomasz Drwal (16-2-1)
- Jason Brilz (17-1) vs. Eliot Marshall (7-1)
- Vladimir Matyushenko (22-4) vs. Igor Pokrajac (21-5)
- Robert Emerson (9-7) vs. Rafael Dos Anjos (11-4)
- Jim Miller (14-2) vs. TBA

[tyven]

really wish they could have added another main event quality match to the 103 card and REALLY trounce boxing. oh well, if they crush the mayweather card with Frank vs Vitor it might actually mean more.

[noblemountain]

really wish they could have added another main event quality match to the 103 card and REALLY trounce boxing. oh well, if they crush the mayweather card with Frank vs Vitor it might actually mean more.

I agree. The boxing card is the most stacked card that pro boxing has put out in 5 years probably. I think the UFC should have put another big fight or maybe two, one on the free section of the show.

[tyven]

im anxious to see what will happen w/ Rich if he wins that fight. they cant just keep using him as a gate keeper for other people trying to get title shots

[donnie]

Strategically this is a good move by UFC, but I think only if they air the undercard for free then PPV for the main event. This way you will attract people who are watching randomly and will be hooked so they will pay for PPV to see the whole show.

And as for the card, its far from being competitive with the boxing card, they have no title fight and no big names that casual fans recognize. While on the other hand, boxing card being said that will have other interesting match ups that will be included in the PPV and the fact that boxing fans had no interesting PPV forever so they will probably buy this.

very interesting to see what will happen indeed, if UFC wins that means boxing is really in trouble lol.

[tyven]

i think as long as UFC stays competitive Dana will have a field day. he'll just be like 'we didnt even have a title fight or a single one of our P4P bests and we hung with the biggest boxing card of the decade'

[Dimmauk]

i think as long as UFC stays competitive Dana will have a field day. he'll just be like 'we didnt even have a title fight or a single one of our P4P bests and we hung with the biggest boxing card of the decade'

I have a feeling they might do better. Although there has been some WWE events that did better than some boxing events on PPV.

[tyven]

i dont know the standard buy-rate on boxing PPVs, was floyd vs oscar a few years ago the biggest? HOW MUCH DID IT DO?

[Rikus]

just north of 2mil

[noblemountain]

I have a feeling they might do better. Although there has been some WWE events that did better than some boxing events on PPV.

That isn't really fair because the WWF/E events have always historically been off the charts. They routinely beat boxing/mma ppv's and always have.

[Dimmauk]

It is weird how far boxing has falling off the radar, and how far MMA has risen. I still love watching both sports though. I'm hoping the bar I got to will show both. LOL

[tyven]

just north of 2mil

holy shit, is the upcoming boxing PPV supposed to do anything near this? that trounces MMA lol, now i am sad

[noblemountain]

holy shit, is the upcoming boxing PPV supposed to do anything near this? that trounces MMA lol, now i am sad

The upcoming show should do well...but 2m is nowhere near normal.



UFC PPVs
UFC 101 - 1m
UFC 100 - 1.5m
UFC 96: 350,000
UFC 94: 1.03m
UFC 92: Ultimate 2008 1,000,000+
UFC 91: Couture vs Lesnar 920,000
UFC 90: Silva vs Cote 300,000
UFC 88: Breakthrough 480,000
UFC 87: Seek and Destroy 625,000
UFC 86: Jackson vs Griffin 540,000
UFC 85: Bedlam 225,000
UFC 84: Ill Will 475,000
UFC 83: Serra vs St Pierre II 530,000
UFC 82: Pride of a champion 325,000
UFC 81: Breaking Point 600,000
UFC 80: Rapid Fire 225,000
UFC 79: Nemesis- 534,000
UFC 78: Validation- 295,000
UFC 77: Hostile Territory- 325,000 buys
UFC 76: Knockout- 475,000 buys
UFC 74: Respect- 520,000 buys
UFC 73: Stacked- 425,000 buys
UFC 72: Victory- 200,000 buys
UFC 71: Liddell .vs. Jackson 2- 675,000 buys
UFC 69: Shootout- 400,000 buys
UFC 68: 530,000 buys
UFC 67 - 350,000-400,000 buys (early estimates)
UFC 66 - Over 1 million buys
UFC 65 - 500, 000 buys (St-Pierre vs. Hughes)
UFC 64 - 300, 000 buys (Franklin vs. Silva)
UFC 63 - 400,000 buys (Hughes vs Penn 2)
UFC 62 - 500,000 buys (Liddell vs Sobral)
UFC 61 - 775,000 buys (Ortiz vs Shamrock 2)
UFC 60 - 615,000 buys (Hughes vs Gracie)
UFC 59 - 415,000 buys (Tito/Forrest and Sylvia/Arlovski)
UFC 58 - 290,000 buys (Franklin vs Loiseau)
UFC 57 - 400,000 buys (Couture vs Liddell 3)
UFC 52 - 280,000 buys (Couture vs Liddell 2)
UFC 40 - 150,000 buys (Ortiz vs Shamrock)
UFC 5 - 260,000 buys (Gracie vs Shamrock)

MORE UFC PPVS (I haven't seen the source for these though)
UFC 33 Ortiz vs. Matyushenko 75,000
UFC 34 Couture vs. Rizzo 45,000-60,000*
UFC 35 Penn vs. Pulver 35,000
UFC 36 Barnett vs. Couture 45,000-60,000*
UFC 37 Lindland vs. Bustamante 45,000-60,000*
UFC 38 Hughes vs. Newton 45,000-60,000*
UFC 39 Rodriguez vs. Couture 45,000-60,000*
UFC 41 Tank vs. Mir 60,000
UFC 42 Hughes vs. Sherk 35,000
UFC 43 Couture vs. Liddell 49,000
UFC 44 Couture vs. Ortiz 94,000
UFC 45 Tank vs. Cabbage 40,000
UFC 46 Couture vs. Belfort 77,000
UFC 47 Ortiz vs. Liddell 104,000
UFC 48 Shamrock vs. Kimo 110,000

PRIDE PPVS
PRIDE 32 Fedor vs Coleman 2 - real #s between 40,000 and 50,000 (original estimate of 75,000 buys)
Sakakibara claimed Pride 32 did 150k buys, prior to Meltzer announcing 40-50k. (Source which I didn't try to translate (Most trust Meltzer's numbers more than Sakakibara's numbers. Take it for what it's worth)

TOP PRO WRESTLING PPVS
Wrestlemania 17 - 1,040,000 buys (Rock vs Austin - April 2001)
Wrestlemania 21 - 985,000 buys (Batista vs Triple H - March 2005)

TOP BOXING PPVS
Tyson/Holyfield 2 - 1.99 million buys (most in boxing history)
Tyson/Lewis - 1.8 million buys (highest PPV revenue 103 million vs 99 million for Tyson/Holyfield 2)
De La Hoya/Trinidad - 1.4 million buys (most buys for non HW boxing event)

Most PPV buys, JAN-OCT 2006
1. BOX Oscar DeLa Hoya vs. Ricardo Mayorga 925,000
2. UFC Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock 775,000
3. UFC Matt Hughes vs. B.J. Penn 700,000
4. WWE Wrestlemania 636,000
5. UFC Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie 600,000
6. UFC Chuck Liddell vs. Renato Sobral 500,000
7. UFC Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin 425,000
8. BOX Shane Mosely vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000
9. UFC Chuck Liddell vs. Randy Couture 400,000
10.BOX Floyd Mayweather vs. Zab Judah 375,000

VARIOUS HBO BOXING PPVs - 2006
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys (11/2006)
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys (01/2006)
Vargas/Mosley - 420,000 buys (02/2006)
Mayweather/Judah - 375,000 buys (04/2006)
De La Hoya/Mayorga - 925,000 buys (05/2006)
Tarver/Hopkins - 330,000 buys (06/2006)
Mosley/Vargas II - 350,000 buys (07/2006)

DE LA HOYA PPV HISTORY
Rafael Ruelas( 5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
Genaro Hernandez(9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
Pernell Whitaker(4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
Hector Camacho(9/97) 560,000 buys = $22.4 million
Wilfredo Rivera(12/97) 240,000 buys = $9.6 million
J.C Chavez II( 9/98) 525,000 buys = $23.6 million
Ike Quartey( 2/99) 570,000 buys =$25.7 million
Felix Trinidad(9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million
Shane Mosley(6/00) 590,000 buys = $29.5 million
Javier Castillejo(6/01) 400,000 buys = $16.0 million
Fernando Vargas(9/02) 935,000 buys = $47.8 million
Yory Boy Campas(5/03) 350,000 buys = $17.5 million
Shane Mosley II( 9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million
Felix Sturm(6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
Bernard Hopkins(9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million
Ricardo Mayorga (05/06) 875,000 buys (note, my other source says 925,000)

According to this <a href="http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim050506.asp">article</a>, boxing PPVs without de la hoya generated between 300-450k ppv buys each from early 2005 until early 2006.

Sources:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/i...=SBD2006051106
Boxing Coverage updated 24/7 at MaxBoxing.com
Gatti-Mayweather a PPV Success
http://wrestlemania21.quickseek.com/
PPV buys
UFC 60 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.ivansblog.com/2006/07/mix...-per-view.html
http://www.secondsout.com/World/news...s=225&cs=20301
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...VgOlTXmmP.html
Wrestling Observer Article - Pride Real Deal 75k
Fox Sports Article whose source is Wrestling Observer, Dec 27th
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8...estion1wm8.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3...estion2jm6.jpg

Note: All buy rates are approximations.

[Dimmauk]

Man, I loved watching Oscar fight. The dude made some insane money.

[tyven]

damn didnt realize what a cash cow de la hoya is

[donnie]

the "cash cow" is what hurt the MMA, rather then promoters trying to find the best fighters they try to find the " marketable fighters". Best example is how UFC terminate Thiago Leites and acquire Phil Baroni, really??! come on!

[noblemountain]

damn didnt realize what a cash cow de la hoya is

He transcends his sport. His natural charisma and "nice guy" image are perfect for boxing where everyone wants to be the thug or the loud mouth. That being said...he's gone. I don't think boxing PPV rates will be the same without him.

Mir did an interview this week saying that Fedor is ducking the UFC competition and that Brock would destroy him in a cage. I am honestly a little surprised to hear Mir saying that.

[Dimmauk]

He transcends his sport. His natural charisma and "nice guy" image are perfect for boxing where everyone wants to be the thug or the loud mouth. That being said...he's gone. I don't think boxing PPV rates will be the same without him.

Mir did an interview this week saying that Fedor is ducking the UFC competition and that Brock would destroy him in a cage. I am honestly a little surprised to hear Mir saying that.

Well Mir is kinda a shit talker.

[donnie]

Well Mir is kinda a shit talker.

+1 , he shift his opinions on daily basis.