The MMA Thread of 2009-Forever

[Rhyis.]

The fight was a lot closer then people are saying it was.

[archibaldcrane]

The fight was a lot closer then people are saying it was.

I don't think anyone is really saying it wasn't close.

[Gryffes]

Fucking lol

YouTube - Hitler Hates UFC 104 Lyoto Machida VS Mauricio Shogun Rua And Dana White

[noblemountain]

Fightmetric.com has broken down pretty much all modern day fights from the UFC/Dream/and I think strikeforce. I'm pretty sure that they are trustworthy when examining a fight.

There staff includes...

John Henry

John is an Assistant Professor of Mathematics whose research has
focused on extreme value theory with applications in environmental/ecological and actuarial science. Dr. Henry received his PhD in statistics from Oregon State University in 2008. John is also an MMA fighter, winning the light heavyweight title in his last amateur fight with Brass Knuckles Cage Fighting Promotions. He has recently turned pro, and is currently training with the HIT Squad in Granite City, IL.

Reed Kuhn

Reed first got hooked on MMA as a teenager in the early 90’s, but rediscovered the sport in grad school while working on statistical analysis of the NFL. Since 2005, he has not missed a single televised MMA event, has traveled as far as Germany to attend live UFC events, and credits The Ultimate Fighter show for making his wife a fan (and thus, partially accepting of his MMA habit). He is a strategy management consultant by trade, with a BS in Physics, a Master’s in Systems Engineering, and an MBA from Duke University specializing in Operations and Decision Sciences.

Leland Roling

Leland is currently a Staff Writer for BloodyElbow.com, one of the most popular blogs on the Internet covering the sport of mixed martial arts. He is also a full-time professional web developer who builds data-driven websites that make the Internet work for you. In his free time, he is President of the Melvin Manhoef Fan Club, watches way too much MMA, and passionately awaits the Chicago Cubs World Series title, which, quite frankly, will probably kill him.

Brian Reich

Brian received a PhD in biostatistics from the University of Minnesota
in 2005, and is currently an assistant professor of statistics at North
Carolina State University. His research interests include modeling
spatial and spatio-temporal data, environmental applications, Bayesian
methods, and nonparametric statistics. For more information, please
view his website.

Thanks for the Fightmetric bio. Now go back to their website and look at the fight round by round, which is what matters. Notice how the first three rounds look? That is why Machida won. The final round was up in the air for me as well. I am surprised that all 3 judges had it 3-2 Machida, I had it 3-2 Rua myself, but I can understand why Rua lost. It was a close fight and honestly the old saying goes, "To be the man, you gotta beat the man", and he didn't beat him. He tried to outpoint him. Lennox Lewis was an AMAZING boxer...he was also very boring. He didn't sell many PPV's because of that. Machida needs to quit trying to not lose and try to win and Shogun needs to be himself instead of trying to gameplan himself into a boring fight.

[Auronx]

I don't know what I was supposed to see from the first 3 rounds? Shogun outstruck Machida in ever round. Shogun should of won. I agree that machida needs to go for more than just decisions and I think Shogun wants to fight like his old way, but he knows if he becomes too reckless against machida that he could get knocked out.

[Blarg]

Shogun should not be his wild self when it comes to fighting someone like machida who has proven to destroy striking that leaves a lot of openings. Kicks are how shogun has an advantage over machida and that is what he needs to use. If he had gotten the win he could be his wild self over many of the potential challengers for him because they won't punish mistakes like machida does.

The only way shogun can go for a legit finish without putting himself at a big disadvantage would be to take machida down and submit him, since the td's didn't work shoguns ability to get a finish was way way lower since the opportunities to hit machida hard on the face are few and far between. There were probably a few opportunities to drop for a leg lock like he tried vs liddell but it's risky and would put himself on his back against a very solid grappler and you know how judges react to someone being on their back.

I think the rematch will look fairly similar and it's probably up to machida to be more aggressive since it isn't as detrimental for him like it is for shogun.

[Dimmauk]

Fuck trying to roll around on the ground trying to submit, or trying to KO someone. Just attack their legs and arms and you can win.

[Blarg]

Oh and cecil peoples is an idiot and so is most of his write up. Several people have given up and basically tapped out due to leg and especially body kicks, they ARE a way to finish the fight. This leg kick view is probably the worst thing in there.

His views on takedowns is a bit odd since gsp in particular used that kind of cage pressure as a strategy to tire out bj's arms. Several other fighters use td attempts to tire the opponent or just keep the other guy guessing and cecil seems to place 0 attention on the td attempt but all on the defense. I don't think td's themselves or defense should be worth much if anything but that's another argument. Basically I think it should be 0 sum if you fail to get a td and the other guy defends.

I don't think any of them really exhibited octagon control in a dominant way. Cecil is a karate guy himself so it wouldn't surprise me if he places value in letting the other guy attack so you can counter. One thing I did notice is that shogun often had the very center of the cage which is normally seen as a good place to be.

He again says he values picking your spots and being accurate while those things can often lead to you winning they are in themselves not things that mean you are winning if you do it better than your opponent. What I mean is that although lyoto may have chosen the best opportunities to attack and landed them cleanly if he does that 10x less (an exaggeration here to make a point) how does that mean he's winning if the other guy is throwing wild bombs at any chance he gets but still manages to get more damage in. If I windmill punch machida 500x in 1 round and 200 of them land in some fashion it should be worth more than him landing 10 clean and well timed strikes.

[tyven]

Fuck trying to roll around on the ground trying to submit, or trying to KO someone. Just attack their legs and arms and you can win.

thats how forrest beat rampage

[Chips]

50 Year Old Grandmother Set to Make MMA Debut

[Epical]

That article title is pretty misleading, she looks 35.

[Blarg]

gilf

[Chips]

That article title is pretty misleading, she looks 35.

In the interview, it states she's 48. But you're right, she looks great for her age :D

Man, do I love Cecil Peoples... http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...n-salmon_b.gif

[Blarg]

In the interview, it states she's 48. But you're right, she looks great for her age :D

Man, do I love Cecil Peoples... http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...n-salmon_b.gif

Funny thing is that Cecil scored that fight for Salmon

[EckoGecko]

Funny how the ref does a saving dive and eats shit on the fence.

You think they'll actually go to an immediate rematch for Shogun and Machida? Dana has said this before for the Ortiz vs. Evans draw but that never happened. I think there are a couple other fights that was announced as an immediate rematch but never did.

[Dimmauk]

Joe daddy
http://i34.tinypic.com/27wuhk.jpg

Rumble
http://i33.tinypic.com/qsjlf8.gif

Cain
http://i38.tinypic.com/97tp9i.jpg

Barry
http://i33.tinypic.com/v8eo82.jpg

SkyScraper
http://i33.tinypic.com/1g53d5.jpg

Round 1
http://i37.tinypic.com/20786er.jpg

Round 2
http://i35.tinypic.com/2ez01o2.jpg

Round 3
http://i33.tinypic.com/rk0m6v.jpg

My favorite one
http://i33.tinypic.com/r6wroi.jpg

[tyven]

you are the gif king. fuck i love cain

[Chips]

Funny how the ref does a saving dive and eats shit on the fence.

That ref is Cecil, haha

[Blarg]

Funny how the ref does a saving dive and eats shit on the fence.

You think they'll actually go to an immediate rematch for Shogun and Machida? Dana has said this before for the Ortiz vs. Evans draw but that never happened. I think there are a couple other fights that was announced as an immediate rematch but never did.

An immediate rematch makes the most sense in this case. Without rampage in the the picture it will be months before the next #1 contender shakes out that will be marketable. This rematch has the controversy of the first to increase interest and it actually makes sense to do it.

[Blarg]

So with lesnar v carwin out of 106 the ortiz v forrest fight is the new main event and josh koscheck v anthony johnson looks to be the newly made and added fight for the co main event. That should be a really good fight.