counter broken?

[AmberlyUnicorn]

Well, I didn't get the general "this is working as intended"
Instead, he said he was going to submit a bug report and that they'd contact me with the results of the investigation via POL.

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[GM] Rahlk >> Often times there are changes made in new content patches that are not announced to allow the player base to discover information on their own.

That reminds me of my last christmas present....

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...hit_in_box.jpg

[mdkuser]

Hmm like what zones, because my group uses 2 mnk/nin in all zones and i dont see how mnk/war can work if you are doing bosses, well maybe zhayolm that boss is gimp but still, looks too much pain for healers not being /nin on salvage as mnk if you are tank.

You can make /war work just like you you can make sam/war work but it requires a lot of support. we have done full clear o fsilversea and arrapago ( flayer) with sam/war + mnk/war , but had cor brd rdm whm... in the end we wen slower than two mnk/nin because due to one death on CC and boss, and sam stuck on seigan mode and voke to save the mnk.

[Fridell]

[GM] Rahlk >> Often times there are changes made in new content patches that are not announced to allow the player base to discover information on their own.

That reminds me of my last christmas present....

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...hit_in_box.jpg

HAHAHA can't stop laughing.

[Julian]

Maybe I don't play mnk as often, but I very very very rarely rely on counter for recasting, and I don't use counterstance on bosses either.

What I mean is, I just don't get the whole "OMG this nerf is so bad that I died to a chariot" thing. Sure it sucks, but it's hardly that big of a deal, at least for me.

[Fridell]

Uh, if you don't Counterstance much on MNK you miss out on goodies, first extra damage when you counter (huge plus) and counter through Utsu casting, no reason to not use Counterstance on Chariots, unless it's AR boss.
I assume your MNK is pretty well geared etc, but if it's not and you're low on ACC that is why you feel you can't rely on counters?

[Arthars]

counter is hack XD

but counterstance on arrap boss, like what fridell said, is suicide

mortal can KO you immediately XD i seen 18xx damage before

[Julian]

I don't MNK very often in Salvage, only when one of the main ones is missing, or another person is missing and one of the main ones has to go another job.

I'm not saying counterstance is bad, I know it's good, and yeah, I do believe that I am lacking the necessary accuracy. (Missing sniper's+1 upgrade, cuch mantle, and nkote/usu, I guess I might start eating pizza?)

All I'm saying is that this "nerf" doesn't really seem like that big of a deal that it would make salvage bosses any harder or anything.

[hezzel]

so this is why SSR boss was tearing me a new one on MNK.

only one more drop in the already full cup of not wanting to play FF14.

[Onorgul]

All I'm saying is that this "nerf" doesn't really seem like that big of a deal that it would make salvage bosses any harder or anything.

It's a big deal for those of us who do rely on Counterstance often. Bosses have been chewing me up since Monday and it was driving me to madness trying to figure out why. It makes the bosses harder, not unkillable, but it's definitely a big deal.

And, yes, you should be eating Marinara Pizza. How is that even a question? Sushi is almost always overkill for a Monk wearing remotely acceptable gear and pizza is cheap as dirt for the bonuses it gives.

[Julian]

Spoilers: I eat meat, not sushi. (did you even read this topic?)

And you can easily cast utsu1 inbetween hits with elegy and slow. Not that you should be having to cast utsu1 inbetween hits most of the time. I really don't see the big deal :/

[Onorgul]

You really don't play Monk in Salvage. "Don't worry, guys, Discharge just wiped my shadows and Utsusemi: Ni has 10 seconds on its recast, but some guy on BG said that I shouldn't need to cast Ichi."

And playing without capped Accuracy is foolish. Tanking without it is idiocy.

[mdkuser]

with full usukane and merits/ HQ ring pcc you can cap with meat on bhaf ( weakned) and zhayolm np. SS and arrap requires pizza usually, at least for me.

[Falisa]

Well I hope you guys realize GMs get calls like that all the time "OMG THIS DIDNT WORK FOR ME. IT MUST BE BROKEN." so until its confirmed by QA or by mass amount of calls thats noticeable enough to the GMs about the issue, they will not take any call about the game mechanics being broken seriously.

[Fridell]

The GM I Talked with said it was already reported and that the Devs looking at it (lol).

[Alisha]

i'm curious if this is a glitch or something that was intended. if it was intended why wasnt it in the patch notes just like when they changed HF.

[Julian]

You really don't play Monk in Salvage. "Don't worry, guys, Discharge just wiped my shadows and Utsusemi: Ni has 10 seconds on its recast, but some guy on BG said that I shouldn't need to cast Ichi."

And playing without capped Accuracy is foolish. Tanking without it is idiocy.

Wow, you really don't know how to read, do you?

I said timing Utsu 1 inbetween attacks isn't necessary, because you should be casting Utsu1 as soon as you see the AOE being readied. Utsu2 should only be used inbetween attacks. 6 shadows inbetween chariot WS is usually more than enough when bouncing hate correctly.

[pahnphoenix]

Maybe I don't play mnk as often, but I very very very rarely rely on counter for recasting, and I don't use counterstance on bosses either.

What I mean is, I just don't get the whole "OMG this nerf is so bad that I died to a chariot" thing. Sure it sucks, but it's hardly that big of a deal, at least for me.

chariots cap ATT against you; by not using counterstance all you're doing is throwing away damage mitigation. there is literally no penalty at all for using counterstance against mobs with that much ATT.

re: topic,

i RAGED. in fact, i'd calmed down, but now that i'm thinking about it again the rage is returning. i need to watch this to calm me down. and then this to PUMP ME THE FUCK BACK UP

[Cream Soda]

Fuck that, I always tank. The "co-tank" just sits there and does dmg and I'm not gonna swap my gear or lower my dmg just so they can keep up to bounce hate. Fix counters.


Edit: was to jul


Edit: LMFAO at the vid

[Gtype954]

Maybe I don't play mnk as often, but I very very very rarely rely on counter for recasting, and I don't use counterstance on bosses either.

What I mean is, I just don't get the whole "OMG this nerf is so bad that I died to a chariot" thing. Sure it sucks, but it's hardly that big of a deal, at least for me.

the problem is that your defense drops so badly but you don't get the extra counters that yo would normally get for counterstance to outweight the con of lowered defense.
I assumed I would counter on ichi like I always do and was getting smacked with low defense. We don't use a bard so we need our ichi.
We have 3 groups of 9-10 ppl farming alexandrite per day trying to upgrade the whm yagrushs. We only got 2 brds that day, our team ended up without the bard since our full usukane mnks rarely drop to that boss.
We weren't trying to say "OMG, this nerf is so bad we died to a chariot", just caught alot of mnks off guard. (no pun). Just not expecting to get hit by a melee move 2x during casting ichi. for like 800 dmg followed a Mortal revolution that hit you with no shadows cause you thought you would have 3 shadows up. My counter is extremely high, its almost guaranteed I will always counter when casting ichi. We still beat the boss, I was shocked to die, not sure why I wasn't playing good that day, I thought I forgot how to play the game.
Its funny they bugged counter which has to do with relic h2h and nerfed the drain on apoc. Sometimes I wonder if they make these bugs trying to ninja fix the relics for the worse or better and end up bugging some of them.

[Cream Soda]

We don't use a bard so we need our ichi.

Pchan's crew slowly emerges.