Final Fantasy XIV @ gamescom 2009 (Updated)

[Averrinicus]

Well of course, but what I mean is will we have magic schools separated by different kinds of weapon? Or only one weapon that can learn all magic. And this is of course wondering only, not asking a question since I know no one can answer it yet :D

I'm hoping it's not as easy as one weapon learns all, that would kill creativity in classes lol

[Shuichi]

Maybe it's interpreted a bit different where the bar can only be filled up to 10 but you can switch them with CTRL or ALT like with FFXI.

Probably going to be something like this.

[Uzor]

And skills seem to be defined by equipped weapon so I guess staff will have all magic available but we will have to choose only some to use ?.?

The way I read it, your skill level in a weapon increases, as well as ability levels. As your skill level increases, you eventually learn new skills. Somewhere in there I seem to have read that certain abilities require a certain level on another ability to be learned, but I'm not sure. In either way, I'm guessing that would be, like, requiring maxed-out Thunder in order to learn Thunder II, or something.

[Weltall]

This game looks like it is going to be great, but the people playing in the demos.....my God...lol

[Averrinicus]

This game looks like it is going to be great, but the people playing in the demos.....my God...lol

I was kind of thinking the same lol

[Omniyoji]

Well of course, but what I mean is will we have magic schools separated by different kinds of weapon? Or only one weapon that can learn all magic. And this is of course wondering only, not asking a question since I know no one can answer it yet :D

I'm still guesstimating that it'll be somewhat like FFIX's system:

Situational Method (Quick)
Only equip items with skills appropriate to the
situation. You don’t have to fight many battles,
because you don’t need to worry about AP. The
downside is that you must carry a large stock of items
in order to use the desired abilities when you need to.
HINT: Change equipment to match your enemy’s
strengths and weaknesses.

Basic Method (Standard)
Learn useful abilities such as Life, Loudmouth, and
Alert, and use other abilities by switching items. You
will need to consider carefully which abilities to learn,
but this is the most basic way to move forward.
HINT: Carefully study which abilities you need to learn.

Diligent Method (Thorough)
Learn all the abilities from every item you obtain. You
must fight more battles in order to gain the required
AP. However, once you master your abilities, you
should be able to proceed towards the end without
too much trouble.
HINT: Fight many battles, and be patient.

That's from the game manual ^


I wonder if they'll bring back Tetra Master or Triple Triad since they mentioned mini-games/other things to do

[willriker]

so a BLM type class would have to equip a fire base staff to cast a fire based spell? If that is what your getting at, i would find it hilarious that BLMs get an entirely new game and still cant escape thier elemental staves (all be it, for an entirely differant reason) LOL.

I dont think that is what they are getting at here.

Still want to learn more about classes. This system could be really neat, or it can fail horribly. Having no set class, only differentiated by the skills/weapons you choose to equip... is a bit diferant than having a set job level with skills commonly known to be atributed to that job.

At this moment, i am most interested in how people differentiate between other players for assembling groups. We have our theory, but it would be nice to get some confirmation. And then ask them to clarify how we are suposed to find members for our parties (AND know whos gimped/average/boss).

We had some ways to get an idea in ffxi:
Main level
Sub level
Main/sub combination
mission rank

I am not sure how they can attempt to help us in this respect. they have to have a way.

[Chantal]

What'll they do about dark knight, paladin, red mage, etc type roles? Wonder if they'll let people choose skills from a weapon they aren't using.

I mean come on, it's square enix, we're gonna have black knights and holy knights *somewhere* xD

[Averrinicus]

so a BLM type class would have to equip a fire base staff to cast a fire based spell? If that is what your getting at, i would find it hilarious that BLMs get an entirely new game and still cant escape thier elemental staves (all be it, for an entirely differant reason) LOL.

I dont think that is what they are getting at here.

Still want to learn more about classes. This system could be really neat, or it can fail horribly. Having no set class, only differentiated by the skills/weapons you choose to equip... is a bit diferant than having a set job level with skills commonly known to be atributed to that job.

At this moment, i am most interested in how people differentiate between other players for assembling groups. We have our theory, but it would be nice to get some confirmation. And then ask them to clarify how we are suposed to find members for our parties (AND know whos gimped/average/boss).

We had some ways to get an idea in ffxi:
Main level
Sub level
Main/sub combination
mission rank

I am not sure how they can attempt to help us in this respect. they have to have a way.

A lot of people were suggesting that your Gear Quality/Level will help decipher between new players and experienced, maybe detail as well.

[Kenji]

I don't have anything to add. But I will nitpick something out of what's been said, jump to a conclusion, and then nerd rage about it; Even though I don't have much of a clue of how things will eventually work out.

Or, I could go "Hmm, that's interesting" and then wait for additional info before hating something.

But I can say 2 things for sure:

#1 Who cares about jumping except those with ADD? Perhaps SE's has made a big improvement here and clipping issues won't be a problem so there's no need to jump over things. I began to hate WoW as they started adding places where jumping played a role. I don't want to play a platformer; I want to play an RPG. And how the fuck does someone wearing a ton of armor able to jump much anyway? Sure, add jumping to FFXIV... but we'll add a weight value to every item, so in the end, you can only jump while wearing no more than cloth, and your inven is mostly empty.

I foresee the only jumping to be from whatever combination of weapons and gear that makes you dragoon-like.

#2 Screw PVP. You can't balance a game around both PvE and PvP. If a game is balanced around PvE, any PvP will, by nature, be unbalanced. Ballista and Brenner are about as good as you are going to get. And the current rewards are as good as you are going to get. I hated PvP gear becoming almost a requirement in WoW, because it was good gear for PvE until you could get something specific from a raid. I don't want to PvP to better myself. At best, gil would be rewards from PvP.

If you wanna PvP, go play WoW, Warhammer, Guild Wars, or one of the other 398237863546 MMOs out there that cater to griefing and corpse camping.

As for everything else, I'll wait for more information before deciding. FFXIV looks nice so far; I may or may not play it. But based on experience with past MMOs and FFXI, I'd appreciate not hearing about ADD jumping and PvP as a focus.

[SephYuyX]

/clap

[Averrinicus]

Swimming and Climbing would be a nice addition, why need jump if you can climb there.

[Kurokikaze]

so a BLM type class would have to equip a fire base staff to cast a fire based spell? If that is what your getting at, i would find it hilarious that BLMs get an entirely new game and still cant escape thier elemental staves (all be it, for an entirely differant reason) LOL.

No thats not what they're saying. They're saying that you'll have to equip a staff with Fire magic on it until you learn it. Then you're able to switch to another staff and still have access to Fire.

Edit: Seriously, why the fuck are we still talking about jump? Its not in the game and probably won't be added in the future. Drop the subject.

[Trocian]

lets hope they also update the website then with more information!

They still haven't updated the EU site with the E3-info. Better give us one hell of an update after all of this :X

[Takiwaki]

dont know if this combat vid was posted but notice the lightning dmg on the sword?

YouTube - [GoHa.Ru] Final Fantasy XIV Gameplay combat

[Weltall]

Why don't you guys just sit tight and wait until they tell us how the class/learning system will work? Wow...

[Chantal]

dont know if this combat vid was posted but notice the lightning dmg on the sword?

YouTube - [GoHa.Ru] Final Fantasy XIV Gameplay combat

I did notice he attacks about as slow as we attack in FFXI, lol. Maybe a little slower, been a long time since I used 1 handed swords with no haste xD

...or anything with no haste, for that matter

[Khamsin]

No thats not what they're saying. They're saying that you'll have to equip a staff with Fire magic on it until you learn it. Then you're able to switch to another staff and still have access to Fire.

Edit: Seriously, why the fuck are we still talking about jump? Its not in the game and probably won't be added in the future. Drop the subject.

And even if jump were added, they could just add a stamina bar for running/jumping, and prevent jumping when stamina is low. Then you could only jump like twice a minute, or less if you've been running a lot, too.

[Averrinicus]

They still haven't updated the EU site with the E3-info. Better give us one hell of an update after all of this :X

I didn't know that, that sucks.,but yall did get the Alpha build demo lol so in my books yall are winning.

Edit: it looks so annoying to be attacked by multiple enemies like that

[Jotaru]

Agreed, they react so much to each individual hit, would be interesting to have fifty lowlevel mobs chasing you.