Blue Mage Physical Spell Gear

[Neosutra]

Ah ok, was reading his comment as the 4 dex being that increase, my mistake.

[Yugl]

Why would Str 4 Dex 4 be a better CASA piece, as the dex does nothing for you?

That DEX comes with 2% Crit damage, which is why it might do more damage.

Seems to me like she should just get the Str4, 10 acc, 15 WS acc, 5 attack and have a good vorpal blade piece and nice 10 acc/str4 big 3 piece. Blu wont be capped on acc for hardly anything..

DEX affect Hysteric Barrage's damage, so I wouldn't pass that up so easily. Again, this situation is dependent on ACC, but I believe most BLUs aren't going to rely on the big three when ACC is an issue. However, I'll look at this since I've never calculated it.

FFXIGEAR.com

Base w/o Helm and Sole Sushi: 386
Add Gnad Helm: 388 ACC
Add Sword merits: 402 ACC
Add Physical Potency Merits: 412 ACC

I'm not sure if there are any other factors (I know BLU magic doesn't affect the ACC) that might affect ACC, so it seems safer to tack on eight more ACC to hit 420 ACC (Pretty safe ACC for most events where BLU use the big three).

And she has morrigans head already, so Str4 piece seems useless.

Only cast in Morrigans if the spell is less than LV60. Bludgeon and such spells are capped in BLU skill at that point. Otherwise, the big three benefit greatly from the skill.

@Ultimagi: Relic helm will not beat the other helms while using CA. The math was already done and found that since CA doubles your modifiers, you'll find Gnad helm to do as much or *more* (In most scenarios more) than Relic helm. Also, since Gnad helm comes with DEX, is boosts Hysteric Barrage and gets you one step closer to capping ACC on more difficult mobs.

[Ultimagi]

Chain Affinity is once every 2 minutes, or 1 minute 30 seconds with max merits. When you're concerned with damage from these spells, you're probably spamming them, meaning you're not using Chain Affinity for most of your casts. The original poster didn't specify that s/he is only concerned with Chain Affinity so there's no reason to assume that. You don't need to spew common knowledge at me just to add something to my point.

[Ultimagi]

With no blue merits, mirage head doesnt beat the others? Is the +5 marginal without merits or something?

For physical blue magic, as well as some magical blue magic, Blue Magic Skill is multiplied by 0.11, then floored, to determine the spell's base value. This makes Blue Magic Skill form tiers, so Mirage Keffiyeh will only have any effect on these spells if it is accompanied by enough extra skill to break into the next tier.

[Yugl]

Chain Affinity is once every 2 minutes, or 1 minute 30 seconds with max merits. When you're concerned with damage from these spells, you're probably spamming them, meaning you're not using Chain Affinity for most of your casts. The original poster didn't specify that s/he is only concerned with Chain Affinity so there's no reason to assume that. You don't need to spew common knowledge at me just to add something to my point.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/46517...ml#post2788694

Also, in case where you're "spamming" them for damage, you want to check your ACC. As mentioned in my post, you'll need 8ACC to reach a solid 420 ACC if you have max sword merits, sole sushi (Wouldn't even use this on birds), and max physical potency merits. I don't know about you, but disregarding CA when talking about the big three is typically not a good assumption. You stated that Mirage is better than the other helms, and I'm simply pointing out that math shows Gnad to be better than Mirage when using CA. No need to get angry over this.

Edit: I think it's quite asinine to assume that someone who is concerned about their big three damage is necessarily spamming them.

[Alarial]

For physical blue magic, as well as some magical blue magic, Blue Magic Skill is multiplied by 0.11, then floored, to determine the spell's base value. This makes Blue Magic Skill form tiers, so Mirage Keffiyeh will only have any effect on these spells if it is accompanied by enough extra skill to break into the next tier.

Ah, ok, so do you happen to know what the tier numbers are? I'm assuming that if you're capped blu skill + relic hat + af body you dont break a tier. Course I cast my big three in morrigan's robe, not af body, so I guess that comparison doesnt matter...

[Alarial]

Edit: I think it's quite asinine to assume that someone who is concerned about their big three damage is necessarily spamming them.

I typically play blu as a spell spammer, however, I am interested either way.

[Mooglemangler]

More about skill tiers!

[Suiram]

You should use AF+1 body. The BLU skill gives you 2~4 base damage depending on tier, you get an increase in WSC on the 3 main multihit spells from the DEX, and you get whatever benefit to "attack" from the skill, all at the cost of 3 STR and possibly missing 1 MP in a tick of refresh.

From there, given that you are using AF1(+1) body and have full skill merits, you will get a base damage bump from using AF2 head.

[Alarial]

Have zero skill merits.

Edit: also have been using morrigan > af body cause I dont have +1 body. Less dex didnt seem worth it to sacrifice the refresh for. I could be wrong though.

[Yugl]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/77819...ml#post2895343

BLU Magic tiers.

[Suiram]

Have zero skill merits.

Oh my bad, misread. Doesn't change the AF body part though, just the AF2 head part.

[Mooglemangler]

I will give using relic head over Voyager Sallet a shot. With all of the other gear/merits needed, how much of a difference have you noticed with addition of relic head?

[Alarial]

Oh my bad, misread. Doesn't change the AF body part though, just the AF2 head part.

Ok, thanks.

[Alarial]

I will give using relic head over Voyager Sallet a shot. With all of the other gear/merits needed, how much of a difference have you noticed with addition of relic head?

Pretty sure you'd see ~2 base damage jump from what they are saying, but only if you have at least 2 merits. If you have zero merits, it probably isnt worth it.

[Suiram]

Pretty sure you'd see ~2 base damage jump from what they are saying, but only if you have at least 2 merits. If you have zero merits, it probably isnt worth it.

We looked at this a couple months ago in the What's Better thread. Purely from a base-damage perspective, and when you are getting benefit there from the extra skill, on non-CA they are equal in about 54% of cases for F.Rip/Dissev, and 58% of cases for Hysteric Barrage. When they aren't equal, AF2 is the better choice more often. On CA Sallet edges out AF2 in about 74% of cases for Fren/Dissev, and 69% of cases for Hys. Barrage.

However, it needs to be pointed out that this overlooks whatever benefit to Attack you get from the Blue skill. I'm beginning to suspect that we (the BLU community, or at least the BG BLU community) might be placing too much emphasis on base damage, although moreso with regard to DEF in Cannonball (and I am a big culprit in this regard, I think). I think it's just because it's so easy to see how various things improve base damage in the abstract, but what equates skill (or def, as the case may be) to attack is not well understood, so it's tempting just to ignore it altogether.

[Dimmauk]

Someone should just post their Diss/Rip set, cannonball set, VC set, Soloing set?

Would that help?

[Neosutra]

Only if they then posted parses with those sets using each of the 3 helms..

[Hilanderr]

My Hysteric

- FFXIAH.com

Frenetic is Triumph ring in place of Iota, and perdu in place of greed scim.

Disseverment is same as hysteric except for perdu in place of greed scim.

[Yugl]

Only if they then posted parses with those sets using each of the 3 helms..

The difference between some of those helms is too close to leave to parses.

Edit: Changing this to a "POST YOUR BLU GEARS!" thread won't help.