NIN/RDM vs NIN/DRK

[richardd]

as far as nin DD goes, that's lyra's and sath's alley.. OH! and the guy who posted here earlier, stellar. i was just an average full usu nin who made a 100 fist video when i was gimp and got 75 lol. my DD's were on a different lvl than my tanking, but thats another story.

GL with PW neo

And I was actually looking foward to the rest of this thread :/ Nah but really I co-tank with Zaz alot and I prefer Nin/drk or Nin/rdm over most any plds. I get to cure him for more hate without hurting his enmity building. He holds solid hate when I want to get some use out of Valor Surcoat... With him being able to build hate at will without cure cheating etc it allows me to step my hate up alot. There is no way I would be able to hold hate on force landing wyrms with a pld co-tank. Maybe when I complete my pld gear sets and experience. I will say that outside of a few mobs atonement dmg / mob tp is not worth it compared to what I could let my buff'd dd's do. Letting ours sams sneak attack tiamat without worry of roar comes to mind. GL with your PW neo.. when are you guys starting?

hell yeah
even the plds in SA said it. fuck pld vs nin or nin vs pld. imo they co-tank so fucking great with eachother on ANY mob. i prefer it over nin and nin, and numerous pld's told me they rather tank with me than another pld. forget all this competitiveness, lets all work together and hold hands~

[Zazel]

as far as nin DD goes, that's lyra's and sath's alley.. OH! and the guy who posted here earlier, stellar. i was just an average full usu nin who made a 100 fist video when i was gimp and got 75 lol. my DD's were on a different lvl than my tanking, but thats another story.

GL with PW neo



hell yeah
even the plds in SA said it. fuck pld vs nin or nin vs pld. imo they co-tank so fucking great with eachother on ANY mob. i prefer it over nin and nin, and numerous pld's told me they rather tank with me than another pld. forget all this competitiveness, lets all work together and hold hands~

Parsed a lolbird pt the other day. Innin was easily 8% increase in acc, and 10%+ increase in overall parse w/ hate being 50/50. Wonder if they nerfed it in yonin patch. Usually Rid/Joy is pretty sick and leaves me easy. Also Crit rate w/o dex build was roughly 28-30%

[richardd]

Parsed a lolbird pt the other day. Innin was easily 8% increase in acc, and 10%+ increase in overall parse w/ hate being 50/50. Wonder if they nerfed it in yonin patch. Usually Rid/Joy is pretty sick and leaves me easy. Also Crit rate w/o dex build was roughly 28-30%

nice lol

ill always have respect for any DD, but nin's especially. if i go to birds, i usually use a polearm sam, but i woulda liked to see if my nin was ok there with the new JA's

[Zazel]

nice lol

ill always have respect for any DD, but nin's especially. if i go to birds, i usually use a polearm sam, but i woulda liked to see if my nin was ok there with the new JA's

The better the DD the more Innin will help...and If i don't voke i don't get tickled to much lol...Hate doing it this way tho.

[Plow]

wondering now if innin is good enough to get away with like mkris+blau evisc build on birds

[Tsuko_Asura]

And I was actually looking foward to the rest of this thread :/ Nah but really I co-tank with Zaz alot and I prefer Nin/drk or Nin/rdm over most any plds. I get to cure him for more hate without hurting his enmity building. He holds solid hate when I want to get some use out of Valor Surcoat... With him being able to build hate at will without cure cheating etc it allows me to step my hate up alot. There is no way I would be able to hold hate on force landing wyrms with a pld co-tank. Maybe when I complete my pld gear sets and experience. I will say that outside of a few mobs atonement dmg / mob tp is not worth it compared to what I could let my buff'd dd's do. Letting ours sams sneak attack tiamat without worry of roar comes to mind. GL with your PW neo.. when are you guys starting?

Is this guy serious?

If you are, I mean, really? Are you honestly using your inability to make a cure-cheat and your complete lack of insight as to how much more efficient(and productive) it is to build enmity through damage as a basis for your co-tank preferences?

Come back when you have something to contribute other than flaunting how god awful you are at your job.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Hate reset, when you've died, etc.

Chainspells great. But odds are if you've used it, and die, you aren't going to have access to it again that fight. (Medium level of sarcasm here).

This is exactly the type of thing I was thinking he was referencing, which I preemptively addressed. It takes all of a minute or two to get back to where you were pre-enmity reset as a Red Mage, and as long as you're paying attention, you can build steady enmity on the sidelines right after you've died, so you're nearly capped by the time weakness wears.

[Tulun]

for the interuption thing: Has anyone tested it with Choral Roll? Since bards are in tank parties anyway... cor could be taken in.

Might make it even simpler?

[Tsuko_Asura]

That's not a bad idea, but it'd really be a NIN-onry gig. Red Mage doesn't really need help with 100%, and a Paladin is better off with Hunter's/Evoker's(Hunter's/Chaos if MP isn't an issue).

[Zazel]

Is this guy serious?

If you are, I mean, really? Are you honestly using your inability to make a cure-cheat and your complete lack of insight as to how much more efficient(and productive) it is to build enmity through damage as a basis for your co-tank preferences?

Come back when you have something to contribute other than flaunting how god awful you are at your job.

You sure you read his post right? Or just glance over it too quick?

[Gustave]

Is this guy serious?

If you are, I mean, really? Are you honestly using your inability to make a cure-cheat and your complete lack of insight as to how much more efficient(and productive) it is to build enmity through damage as a basis for your co-tank preferences?

Come back when you have something to contribute other than flaunting how god awful you are at your job.

I really couldn't tell exactly what you were trying to say in that post... could you be more specific? What exactly do you disagree with? As I said per mob. I have a decent cure 3 and cure 4 cheat along with a strong atonement build (lacking ancient torque and cuch mantle but thats very minor since cerb helps for not hitting for 0)... I also use spellcast. Since you really left the door open to what you were talking about I'll go back to my example. Yes I would rather my sams tp tiamat then me doing a 270 atonement and give her more of a chance to wing/roar. I'd rather main cure the tank pt and give the ghorn to the blms then waste mp on wings/roar. And still stay under 40 min kill.

Also should cure cheat and efficiency be mentioned at the same time?

[Tsuko_Asura]

You sure you read his post right? Or just glance over it too quick?

Unless the Sparknotes version differs from, "I prefer co-tanking with a Ninja so I can cure him instead of having to put some effort into curing myself. Also, Atonement is only good for one or two fights, any other time its not worth the TP I feed. Besides, my trying to deal damage deters our Samurai's effort to cause 'flails, why would I want to make that more difficult?" then no, I read it loud and clear.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Also should cure cheat and efficiency be mentioned at the same time?

Its a perfectly acceptable combination, more so when you actually read what I said.

[Gustave]

If its so easy to hold hate with cure cheat then why is there such a need for atonement? I love atonement as much as the next guy but you act like you can outparse you local kuftal tunnel thf with it on anything important.

[Tsuko_Asura]

If its so easy to hold hate with cure cheat then why is there such a need for atonement? I love atonement as much as the next guy but you act like you can outparse you local kuftal tunnel thf with it on anything important.

Still having trouble with that whole reading thing, I see.

[Gustave]

Same to you. Thanks for the sarcastic smartass comments. There is no use trying to reply to you because you already have your mind made up. All you did is repeat what I said in a bit of a twisted version without actually discussing any part of it.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Are you honestly using your inability to make a cure-cheat and your complete lack of insight as to how much more efficient(and productive) it is to build enmity through damage as a basis for your co-tank preferences?

Read carefully, slugger.

[Gustave]

If hate is not an issue whats the point in meleeing tia on ground for and extra 350~ dmg on each ground?

[Tsuko_Asura]

If hate is not an issue whats the point in meleeing tia on ground for and extra 350~ dmg on each ground?

Aside from the fact that you're now referring to Tiamat as the only exception, when not a few posts ago you declared the majority of the HNM world inappropriate Atonement-targets, you're absolutely right. Why do a MP-free, time-efficient, enmity-boosting Predator Claws during a landing, right?

[Gustave]

I said I had a decent cure cheat set and atonement set... Do you think I don't use them?
Wait I thought this all started because my prefered choice of co-tank was nin/???. He keeps his CE capped very nicely so I lose 2 shadows it moves him... he loses a few shadow it moves back to me. Neither of us will take enough dmg to kill us before the mob change target to the other tank. I have a hard time keeping that same shared hate with other tanks.
Maybe I worded my statement a bit wrong with the outside a few mobs. Cerb/Faf/Nid I'm normally in full tp gear. Khim depends on what melee and rng's we have on it. You make it sound like everything should be atonement burned which I do disagree with.