Bismarck > Fenrir Terrestrialrage & Lacy

[Lacyanne]

As I look back on VictoriousSecret, I laugh... I cry.. and I mostly shrug and wonder how it even worked out. We never claimed to be the reincarnation of NineInchNinjas... that was a legacy built by Minidragon that we could never even come close to. We were simply... ex-NINs looking to have some fun. That fun turned into a nightmare....

So many sleepless nights because of private vent conversations lasting until 3am.
So many tears shed over cruel and personal attacks out of left field.
So many harsh comments dealt to members who never deserved it.

What new leader ever really anticipates all of this? I know TR didn't.. and I know that I was not prepared to deal with the stress load that some of the members put on both of us. So much time was demanded in dealing with the crap. Someone going off on the deep end and yelling at members (even attempted to yell at TR at a Kirin for his own mistake). The constant racial jokes that upset a decent number of the black population. The farthest I can go back as to when this started is Gismo's 1st attempt to leave the shell in a dynamis over a failed sleep. In the end, I feel for Krime, Isabel, Cooler, Darkform, Darkscar... all of you were (whether you heard it or not) victims of their verbal harassment.

I am not sure where the problems started, but I do know that group mentality has taken over. This situation was coming sooner or later and it was not over a rdm hat -1. It was a moment of realization for myself. Not that I owe anyone an explanation...
for 6 months, we have given everything for this shell. We have cut our work schedule down to the point where we work in order to survive. We have cut our social life to a non-existent state. My family honestly believes TR hates them because we can never go on a family dinner. Our relationship is non-existent. You all heard the jokes about our sex life... they're real. And for the past 3 months as I passed every item I ever wanted to each of you who now belittle me, I told TR the 1 item I wanted from this GAME. Well it just so happened that when I didn't get that... a new door opened. It is a game, why am I forgoing my whole life for this... for what? I spend 3-6 hours a night on average for this shell. I asked for little in return, and I passed several items to many of you. I did not control drops (as you can see) and I never lead any events. I simply realized that this is not what I want in life. So many aspects of my life have just dissipated since the start of this shell. And with school starting in 2 weeks and student teaching beginning... its really not even practical to play this full time any longer. It was coming, just a matter of days. And of all of the people who replied, Ezell, I know you understand RL issues. TR cannot drop any more classes or else it means another year of school for him. School is his #1 focus... not running a linkshell.

As for server transferring to Fenrir, that was not my choice (think what you may). TR simply wanted to get away from the drama and go to a place where we can enjoy the game once more on our own terms, and his solution was to change servers. As I logged out in front of Oddessa and Ezell, my heart sank. I guess all I can say is, I'm sorry for the injustice that everyone feels. No human being deserves to be controlled, and I do not do that. Nobody in that shell knows what life is like on the other end of the internet. And all I can really say to that is, life on this end has been falling to pieces for a few weeks now. We need time to work on our relationship, our life, and our future.

It is just a game. This really didn't need to be a public warning. We have never done anything so cruel to any of you. TR has lists of every item each of you have obtained... as we looked it over, everyone has been greatly rewarded for their time. However, I have nothing left to say besides what TR has said... things are only going to get better in life now; it is just a game.

And Taru... thank you. You hold a special place in my heart for what you said tonight.

[Kyumo]

Attempts at justification blah blah etc .

You stole the bank and everything the LS worked together collectively for <.<

If you were really feeling bad about the aforementioned people you would have not done what you did. Who are you trying to convince? Any contrived shit you say doesn't really matter; actions > words.

[Ezell]

The only thing I can say is that while I understand "Real Life" issues, they are not unique from player to player. Everyone has RL issues, some players chose to put RL over this game while 99% of this shell put this game over RL.

In my case I had to put RL over this game for the month of July. I appolgized for it and came back ready to make up for the lost time. However, this game has cause more problems in my marriage than I care to admit. Anyone who knew me in SA or on Garuda or who surfed Ala back in 2007 knows all this too well.

However, RL can not be an excuse to screw over 29 other people. Yes you may have looked at your "list" and decided that everything was fair. However, you two walked off with 6 JoL pops, 7 months worth of currency, 2 Bv2 pops, and countless amounts of gil. The issue isn't how much work you put in or how much stress this game caused you. It's about the work the other 29 members put in to get those items, to build that bank. And in one instance you two walk off and ruin that.

Justify it however you want, at the end of the day all you did was use the name "NIN" and build a LS that you ran for 8 months to only in the blink of an eye, over a fucking dyna drop, steal the hard work of all the members. And yes you used NIN, that's how I found out about you, through the NIN site and on the sites front page it mentions NIN.

Personal RL shit don't mean shit at the end of the day cause everyone has RL shit they put off to play this game. I don't stay up till 5am some nights cause I love stairing at the AH in WG, I do it cause I want shinnies and I want people I help, to get them as well. Not steal hard earned gil/items.

At the end of the day it comes down to this.
"You should never be a leader if you can't stand getting burned, cause at the end of the day it's ALWAYS your fault!"

sorry for the wall of text..
-ez

[Goso]

BWAahhahahahhahahahha

If anyone thinks this worthless drivil of a 'speach' is out of the norm... no... this is the normal crap we delt with day to day... should we break it down, sure, I got 5 mins.

"We never claimed to be the reincarnation of NineInchNinjas..."
k, read the welcome on the front page.... yeah you did.

"So many sleepless nights because of private vent conversations lasting until 3am."
You didn't TR did, you put as little effor as posible into the shell, yet still wanted the
max return.

"So many tears shed over cruel and personal attacks out of left field."
This isn't a drama novel, 'its just a game' right? shut up.

"What new leader ever really anticipates all of this?"
He should have, he was warned mulitple times by multiple people, but was cocky enough to think he could handle it, witch he couldn't... obviously


"The constant racial jokes"
Wait, you talking about TR here? Cause... he was the most racest of them all


"In the end, I feel for Krime, Isabel, Cooler, Darkform, Darkscar..."
you don't feel shit or you wouldn't have left, your a heartless overweigh bitch that works @ outback, go get my steak and shutup.


Dont have the time to read the rest of your elabratly worded drivil, but its all the same crap... I have never met somone that take so many words and say the same crap over and over and over, and never really say ANYTHING at all.... I have plety of forum posts to support THIS one.

Why don't you have TR dual box you more to gain attendace and not do a thing?

Goodluck in your life... if you act anything like you do in real life like you do in game... it will be a sad day when the servers end for you.

[Goso]

ps, no one is really mad.... were all just kinda laughing... shell's remade, events planned, new site... lawl.

Never really trusted you 2 anyway.... Jabba the hutt and her captive.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/Goso/FFXI/us2.jpg





AMG RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

[Silenka]

Basically, you can play the 'it's just a game' card all day but you're still hurting real people with your actions, because it's time they've spent contributing towards something and you pretty much shit all over them. People who serverjump with LS banks and whatnot may see it as an opportunity to finally get something back for what they've done ingame, but in so doing you're trading that ill-gotten "reward" for other people's trust, loyalty, and view of what kind of people you are.

You spent so much time and effort on the LS, you cut your social life away for it, I just hear "baww baww". Your own decision, your own mistakes. There is no rule that says a successful LS leader has to destroy his/her real life to accomplish success. There are plenty of good leaders who manage to balance rl and the game and still get a lot of things done. Sounds to me like you had an addiction you couldn't deal with, and you ultimately ended up taking it out on your linkshell members (regardless of whether or not they truly were the "ungrateful fucks" they have been called in the screenshots).

Server jumping with a bank, pop items, etc is destroying the time others (who relied on you to be honest enough not to steal from them) have spent helping the group. Stealing LS bank may not show up on a resume, but you never know when it will come back to bite you in the ass. In the end, though, as proven a million times by real life, karma is a bitch. What goes around, comes around. I'm sure it'll be coming around eventually.


And no, I don't know any of you, but you don't really have to know people personally to get a good grasp of this particular situation. It happens over and over again regularly. I just get pissed when I see people stealing from others with an "I don't care, so why should you?" mentality. Such disregard for other people is sickening, internet or no.

[Kaken]

"So many harsh comments dealt to members who never deserved it."

in conclusion, lets steal the LS bank. we'll show them!!! They deserve it!!!

yall shoulda just saved your $50 on 2 transfers and quit the game while you were ahead.

[Altariel]

So I was not a fan of airing dirty laundry but this post is taking things to a whole new level.

So many tears shed over cruel and personal attacks out of left field.

Part of the problem here is that you always tried to be "above" everyone else. When was the last time you like...told a joke...helped someone that didn't benefit something you needed...acted you know like a person? The flawed assumption is that you deserved respected, but respect is something that's earned yet you refused to engage people in a way that would make them do so.

So many harsh comments dealt to members who never deserved it.

Strangely enough this linkshell was designed for the leaders to have total control of how shit went down. If something needed changed with attitude then the responsibility was on YOU TWO to fix them. Instead you hid from conflict. I never once saw any corrections for people that did something wrong. Never once were demands for changes in behaior layed down.

What new leader ever really anticipates all of this? I know TR didn't.. and I know that I was not prepared to deal with the stress load that some of the members put on both of us.

So you couldn't hack it, that's fine. It's not easy, I've been a leader in a bigger and more active shell than this one. Many people have had problems leading an end game LS. Stepping down would have been an option at any point. Running away with the group's spoils isn't really an adult way around your own shortcomings as leaders.

In the end, I feel for Krime, Isabel, Cooler, Darkform, Darkscar... all of you were (whether you heard it or not) victims of their verbal harassment.

Are you really so dense as to think that any of these members might be consoled by what you did? Endgame shells have expectations. If you want to run a everyone-give-hugs social you were doing it wrong.

This situation was coming sooner or later and it was not over a rdm hat -1.

You logged off after someone else got an item you disagreed with for the SECOND TIME. You know what they say about fool me once, right?

for 6 months, we have given everything for this shell. We have cut our work schedule down to the point where we work in order to survive. We have cut our social life to a non-existent state. My family honestly believes TR hates them because we can never go on a family dinner.

How is this possible, I mean seriously, you ran activities for 3 hours a night 4 nights a week. Tended to log on just before events and log out as soon as possible after.

And for the past 3 months as I passed every item I ever wanted to each of you who now belittle me, I told TR the 1 item I wanted from this GAME.

Oh other than the Odin body and Prudence Torque you got this last week or the salvage bodies you completed and stopped running linkshell salvage immediately afterward? I'm not saying you didn't deserve to be rewarded like any other member but let's not go pretending to be a martyr here. Lots of members of us made choices of what to lot to prioritize what we want. You had the advantage over everyone else since you could see everyone else's point and we couldn't.

It is just a game. This really didn't need to be a public warning. We have never done anything so cruel to any of you. TR has lists of every item each of you have obtained... as we looked it over, everyone has been greatly rewarded for their time.

So basically what you're saying here is that it's okay for the CEO to rob the bank because he doesn't like his employees but he looked at the ledger to make sure they all got paid last year? I understand how you feel that you were never as cruel as these posts, then again the people post here never stole 6 month's of 30 people's hard work either.

[Emissa]

Soo..woah. I've been gone for I think what 3 months? This is crazy. But I guess the whole server-hop function is a gift and a curse..
I can totally see the whole "FFXI is killing me i need to get the hell outta dodge" thing but the issue I'm not understanding, is if this game is killing your personal life and whatnot..whyyyy just not quit? I stopped playing this game for a bit to get my life in order..out of 3months of stopped play cold turkey I dropped 20lbs, joined the airforce, getting married and moving to Utah. It's..really not that hard.. and I tell ya, I've enjoyed every minute of it.
With it being a bunch of people that you don't know..I could see the whole, hop servers take some gil and be like "see ya bitches!" but my soul couldn't let me do it, even if I never heard from them again. I guess this kinda hits me too because I kinda walked on eggshells to get in the shell (I believe) because of past drama I had..but then again it never involved stealing or anything like that, I guess just more over of grouchy drama lol

Either way, I know it's not my place I guess to chat about this because I've been gone for some time, but I just had to make some kind of reply about this affecting your life. If your life is that bad because of FF then just quit the game..because if it's "Just a Game" then you can just quit instead of hopping servers and abandoning ppl..whether you like them or not it's rude. I could see if you totally hated everyone in the shell, but names were mentioned of people that ya'll seemed to care for..so why ditch them the same? I think this kinda surpasses racial slurring and whatnot lol. If it's "Just A Game" then why cry over pixel characters in the first place? It's a fun past time game..but dang, no use in crying over something in the middle of the night, I mean I use to be bad with it, so I dropped it for awhile and it made my life much better... I cry over a high electric bill...not over a 3am run where I didnt get some gear that looked like white stretch panties..gaining like 40lbs sitting on butt estatic because I got a piece of gear finally after 6months or something? That's kind of "lol" So hopping servers to get away from drama i just find hard to believe, if ffxi makes your life suck that bad then quit.

[Emissa]

but yeah, I like Goso's and Alts reponses on here, I also got to thinking, that placing a huge drama blame game on here doesn't really work all that well. To be honest, it sounds really nerdy to be hopping shells with some fake money anyway -.^

[Kaken]

ok one more post... i was looking over what lacy posted and idk how i missed this...

We have cut our work schedule down to the point where we work in order to survive. We have cut our social life to a non-existent state. My family honestly believes TR hates them because we can never go on a family dinner. Our relationship is non-existent. You all heard the jokes about our sex life... they're real.

wow TR, you let her post this on a public forum? haha.. hmm.. come to chicago, i have some hot horny single friends!! poor thing

[Rhinox]

ok one more post... i was looking over what lacy posted and idk how i missed this...



wow TR, you let her post this on a public forum? haha.. hmm.. come to chicago, i have some hot horny single friends!! poor thing

shes trying to gain sympathy. Very much doubt TR would bend to her will if she wasn't giving him at least a handjob.

[Nicholette]

Sorry to hear this happened to you guys.

Deconstructing Lacy's posts it pretty obvious she's a whiny crybaby bitch.

[Goso]

Jesse,

I'm addressing you as a person, not as a linkshell member, not as a ffxi player, and certainly not as TR's girlfriend. I wanted to talk to you earlier, but I can understand you not wanting to talk at that time. I have a tendancy to build walls around me when I'm embarassed or hurt. We all deal with our things different ways.

First, I would like to say thank you for the public appology to everyone. As you know, a lot of people have been hurt by some of the things you have said. Some have taken it to heart and have become really upset, while some have just brushed it off and said "Its just Gismo being Gismo." I have to be honest, I'm one of the people who took it to heart. It is a weakness of mine, but I'm an over-caring person. I've cried so many times. This isn't a guilt trip so please don't feel that way. I just want to take an opportunity to express my opinions and mostly my feelings.

Second, I want to say that I am sorry for anything I have ever done to hurt you. If I come across as self-rightious, I am really sorry. My intentions on this game and in my own life have never been for my own self-gratification or any other selfish purposes. Honestly, some of the funnest times in my life were the 100 hours of volunteer work I did in high school. I have been a very fortunate person in life and have been given every opporunity to succeed at life. However, I did have my battles, just as I understand you have had yours (although, I do not know what they are).

I'd like to be honest with you, but if you don't care thats fine. But, all through my life, my father has been a very verbally abusive person. And when I was 17 years old, the first girl that I ever loved was also a verbally abusive person. It wasn't until I met Rick that I knew what love was and how a real man actually treats a woman. It is because of all of those years of being called hurtful names and constantly cursed at, that it hurts me more than you can know when you say things. Criticizing my words, calling me names... I really break down and just crumble. I realize you might not really mean it, or maybe you do... but either way, Jesse, I'm a real girly girl and I get hurt so easily. And after all of that... Rick has to pick up the pices. That is probably a huge reason as to why he gets stressed out. I know I'm a large part to blame, but I really try not to let my emotions on my past reflect as to who I am in this shell.

I have talked to Mirax about this and I know for one she doesn't understand my need for an appology from you personally, and I have been told that I will never recieve one. I am asking as a person, please? I'm sorry if I have caused you to become so angry that you reflect your own anger to me and the rest of the shell. I am currently working on appearing as a happier person. Although, I really still am trying to understand how to go about that. It is one of my struggles to see my inner faults beyond physical things. I grew up in a house where a father yelled at me but in return bought me anything I ever wanted as an appology. So I do have problems sometimes dealing with things of that nature.

In any case, I am a very personal person and take relationships with others as a personal matter. I love people and the friends that I do make tend to be extremely close with me. I don't open up to many people, but the ones I do... I love them very much. So when dealing with issues, I take them personal and love to talk about what I'm doing wrong and vice versa. You might not be that kind of person, and I understand. I'm not asking for any of that. I just want you to talk to me for once, maybe clear the air between us and maybe say that you're sorry as well? I know that I'm really sorry for the way I act around you. In no way do I harbor any resentment towards you, don't laugh, but I've grown up in Catholic schools and was a good little religious nut... and I was taught to forgive others as you would have them forgive you.

On that note... I will say once again, I'm sorry, Jesse. I don't hold anything against you, and I forgive you. I have tried to treat you with nothing but respect, and I ask you to do the same. It would mean the world to me.

*hugs*

Lacy

This is just yet another post of the drama novel writer Lacyanne.


Just one question... How dose it feel that Rick fucked an entire linkshell, yet won't fuck you with a 10 foot pole?

[Kipling]

Who is Jesse? Throw us not from Bismarck a bone here.

[Sukian]

So many harsh comments dealt to members who never deserved it.

The constant racial jokes that upset a decent number of the black population.

So what I'm confused about is why your so upset about this when you clearly handle all the new applications on your forum, and one of the questions clearly asks.
"Which best fits your Real Life description? We don't discriminate, just want a head start on the racial jokes"

Really?....I mean....how do you explain that?

[Novalye]

Who is Jesse? Throw us not from Bismarck a bone here.

Jesse is Gismo.

[Kyumo]

Who is Jesse? Throw us not from Bismarck a bone here.

Jesse is Goso/Gismo. Dammit Nova beat me D: Kitten Kidnapper.

[Kipling]

Ah alright, wasn't sure if it was addressed to the person posting it or if it was from someone else.

Also, since when do good little religious nuts steal linkshell banks?

[Rhinox]

oh god.

TR you're such a real life white knight.