How the Health Crisis was solved 80 years ago.

[Beckwin]

No, no. You misunderstand, I'm just wondering why, if one calls insurance companies greedy and profiteering, the same standard is not applied to doctors and hospitals. 'tis all.

Is it not P.C to do that? I mean, what is it?

doctors certainly can be greedy and profiteering in cases, but at the very least, those who come into an ER must be given emergency care regardless of whether they can pay for it or not. that's way more than the insurance industry can say.

of course the greater point is that doctors won't take your money then not give you treatment you need, i.e. what insurance companies do.

[Beckwin]

and here we go, depend on suited aces to blame nurses unions et al for the whole mess rather than the corporate structure which has the real control over healthcare prices and availability.

[Suited Aces]

and here we go, depend on suited aces to blame nurses unions et al for the whole mess rather than the corporate structure which has the real control over healthcare prices and availability.

I wasn't blaming the unions for any mess, if anything i was blaming the insurance and drug companies. Olo said the price of healthcare would be lower if the doctors and hospitals set the prices. I was merely saying that the floor for healthcare cost is still pretty high.

These people need to be paid and hospitals still need to be able to turn a profit, if only to reinvest back into itself.

[eunhye]

Parties deal blame as White House goes solo on health reform - Mike Allen and Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

President Barack Obama now realizes he probably will have to pass health reform with Democratic votes alone, White House officials say.

what took him so long?

[Olo401]

Parties deal blame as White House goes solo on health reform - Mike Allen and Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

what took him so long?

Think of it like this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EpLQ5u5Ugo

Obama's Cerrano, the Repubs are Jobu, and the bats are health care reform. And now Obama's about to say "Fuck you Jobu - I do eet myself."

[Olo401]

Pollster Behind Controversial Public Option Poll Has Long Ties To Insurance Industry

So much for the illusion being created by the corporate media.

[Suited Aces]

Upon further research it seems Obama came out yesterday with a plan to curb malpractice suits(quoted below). I retract my previous statement about the new legislation not addressing this.

Although the line about lawyers having "unquestioned integrity" did make me chuckle.

EDIT: actually it may not be true. Dude who wrote it writes for a satire site. idk fuck the internet.

Spoiler: show

With multimillion-dollar jury awards in medical malpractice suits driving up the cost of liability insurance for physicians -- and thus the cost of health care to consumers -- President Barack Obama today backed a health care malpractice reform plan that would create a "public option" law firm to sue doctors for "reasonable" damages.

"We need to keep these ambulance-chasers honest," Obama said. "These sharks are becoming obscenely wealthy by tugging the heartstrings of compassionate jurors, who then grant ridiculous damage awards for pain and suffering, which makes malpractice insurance rates skyrocket and jacks the price of health care for everyone."

The president said, "No one knows better than the U.S. Congress how desperately we need a public option malpractice firm to boost choice and competition. Most members are either lawyers like me, or got elected by befriending lawyers who became major campaign contributors. I'm sure they'll be receptive to my plan because they have that rare combination of being public servants who are committed to equal justice under law."

The public option medical malpractice firm will sue a doctors for actual damages and expenses, and a 10 percent fee to cover the cost of preparing the case.

"By having one group of lawyers in the land who act with unquestioned integrity," said the president, "we'll force the private-sector bloodsuckers to drastically reduce their fees."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calf., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., released a joint statement hailing the president's proposal, and noting that "every private enterprise in America would benefit from a public option alternative, and we're confident attorneys will embrace the personal sacrifice."

[eunhye]

David Axelrod's ties targeted in health fight - Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com

Heh. Funneling is nice, isn't it?

[Dimmauk]

David Axelrod's ties targeted in health fight - Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com

Heh. Funneling is nice, isn't it?

Yeah, it is nice isn't it?

Grassley, the highest-ranking Republican on the Finance Committee, received 23.5 percent of his funds from health and insurance interests

You know Sen. Charles Grassley?

Grassley on Wednesday particularly helped raise the noise level when he said at an Iowa town hall that "we should not have a government program that determines if you're going to pull the plug on grandma."

Said Grassley: "There is some fear because in the House bill, there is counseling for end-of-life. And from that standpoint, you have every right to fear. You shouldn't have counseling at the end of life. You ought to have counseling 20 years before you're going to die. You ought to plan these things out. And I don't have any problem with things like living wills. But they ought to be done within the family."

But it was ok in 2003

In 2003, Grassley was chairman of the Finance Committee and architect of the bill that added the prescription drug benefit to Medicare. The provision that included counseling about end-of-life care did not originate in the Finance Committee. It was added in a House and Senate conference before passage.

[eunhye]

Over 45,000 NHS staff call in sick each day - Telegraph

Annual NHS sickness levels are 10.7 days a year per employee - higher than the public sector average of 9.7 days and 50 per cent higher than the private sector average of 6.4 days.

The NHS loses 10.3 million working days annually due to sickness absence alone, costing £1.7 billion per year.

too funny.

[Beckwin]

....you act surprised that people who work with/around sick people call in sick more often?

you also have to realize that employees with decent working conditions feel more safe in calling in sick- they aren't gonna get reamed by their boss or deal with too much lost pay when they actually ought to be staying home.

[Olo401]

Holy shit dude..

I just got back from a public meeting with one of the two state reps, and these LaRouche supporters are fucking nutjobs worse than the teabaggers.. they're like hardcore Marxists who claim to be Roosevelt Dems. I asked a group of them if they supported Social Security and Medicare and they said yes, then I asked them why they would be against allowing all citizens the choice to buy into Medicare or the congressional health plan and they're all like "that's not the same thing! He's gonna kill all the old & sick people! Hitler-Obama!"

*insert my face with rolling eyes here*

[Olo401]

http://imgur.com/iTawB.jpg

[guartz]

*deep sigh*

This thread needs a lock.

[Beckwin]

because your arguments have been trashed at every turn and you're tired of trolling?

also....

http://imgur.com/iTawB.jpg

holy shit lol^

[Sirrus_Asura]

YouTube - Peter Schiff MSNBC Healthcare 2009 08 06

[Dimmauk]

YouTube - Peter Schiff MSNBC Healthcare 2009 08 06

Cant listen to this at work, so explain what is this about? The comments below are interesting.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Cant listen to this at work, so explain what is this about? The comments below are interesting.

Basically that intervention fucked us up to begin with and that prices are only going to get worse with government intervention. So while yes, healthcare will cover everyone, and we'll all share the price, the prices and costs of healthcare will rise, thus hurting us again. (I think?)

Free Market Etc. Not competitive enough.

I'm probably botching everything he said, and I need to watch it a few times. Disregard the doucher host.

But shit. Its Schiff. You can't argue against this nigga.

[Dimmauk]

Basically that intervention fucked us up to begin with and that prices are only going to get worse with government intervention. So while yes, healthcare will cover everyone, and we'll all share the price, the prices and costs of healthcare will rise, thus hurting us again. (I think?)

Free Market Etc. Not competitive enough.

I'm probably botching everything he said, and I need to watch it a few times. Disregard the doucher host.

But shit. Its Schiff. You can't argue against this nigga.

Judging by the comments the host was fucking with the guest.

[Dimmauk]

*deep sigh*

This thread needs a lock.

http://www.faithmouse.com/sarah_palin_pancakes.jpg