How the Health Crisis was solved 80 years ago.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

But are you willing to pay for those who knowingly get dirt on their ass due to poor choices? You'll be paying for peoples irresponsible ass choices. ITS A FREE RIDE FOR THEM MAN.

Oh you mean like we already do for corporations all the time.

The cost to subsidize profitable business versus the cost to provide healthcare is elephants to fleas my man, you're fighting the wrong fight. The wrong people are getting a free ride, we want citizens to have a fair ride and a fair choice.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Oh you mean like we already do for corporations all the time.

The cost to subsidize profitable business versus the cost to provide healthcare is elephants to fleas my man, you're fighting the wrong fight. The wrong people are getting a free ride, we want citizens to have a fair ride and a fair choice.

I was being 100% sarcastic. Comon guys, figure it out.

Edit: Yea, I don't agree with that either (We've discussed this)

[Darus Grey]

I live off 12k a year and just moved cross country.

That's easy to do when you don't have a job, a family, or any responsibilities. The rest of society isn't so lucky.

Most people can't just leave everything behind and hitch-hike across country like you apparently can(or can lie about).

Really, who wants to earn bonus points pointing out the specific logical fallacy this is?

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I'm just pointing out it's doable.

[Kuya]

I am getting the feeling that they're going to drop the public option. The rhetoric they're using is sounding alarms.

[Beckwin]

there's also a group of 65 congressmen in the house who won't sign a bill without a public option, so I still want to have some hope.

[Dimmauk]

I am getting the feeling that they're going to drop the public option. The rhetoric they're using is sounding alarms.

My question is, if the the Dems do give up on the Public Option, what will the Repubs give up on?

Also, if I pay 200 dollars a paycheck for insurance, will I pay that much in taxes for Government run insurance?

[eunhye]

Old People know what's up

Too late for Obama to turn it around? | Salon

Why has the Democratic Party become so arrogantly detached from ordinary Americans? Though they claim to speak for the poor and dispossessed, Democrats have increasingly become the party of an upper-middle-class professional elite, top-heavy with journalists, academics and lawyers (one reason for the hypocritical absence of tort reform in the healthcare bills).

Especially this one.

[Beckwin]

yeah obviously the GOP is the party for the poor and dispossessed, what with their absolute refusal of any healthcare assistance, constant fighting against welfare, desires to scrap public education, and resistance to civil rights/equal rights legislation.

not to mention penchant for starting wars that send young, lower class people off to fight and die.

[guartz]

yeah obviously the GOP is the party for the poor and dispossessed, what with their absolute refusal of any healthcare assistance, constant fighting against welfare, desires to scrap public education, and resistance to civil rights/equal rights legislation.

not to mention penchant for starting wars that send young, lower class people off to fight and die.

yea dude. Democrat leaders always opposed those wars. and those republicans, don't they know there is absolutely no repercussions of making stuff free.


by the way, what does GOP stand for?

[Dimmauk]

yea dude. Democrat leaders always opposed those wars. and those republicans, don't they know there is absolutely no repercussions of making stuff free.


by the way, what does GOP stand for?

GOP stands for "Grand Old Party,"

Get Old People

God's Own Party

Greed Over People

Grumpy Old Patriarchs

[Rhinox]

there's also a group of 65 congressmen in the house who won't sign a bill without a public option, so I still want to have some hope.

It's 100 last I heard an it included Nancy pelosi. It's the progressive caucus lead by anthony wiener.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

My question is, if the the Dems do give up on the Public Option, what will the Repubs give up on?

Also, if I pay 200 dollars a paycheck for insurance, will I pay that much in taxes for Government run insurance?

No this is the hilarious part, with a public option there will be less need for Medicare, so the cost to the taxpayers for that goes down, and you're not paying for private insurance if you don't want.

So you'll pay maybe $15 more in taxes per paycheck, and $238 less. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT OF PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLES HEALTHCARE EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY DO IT MORE EXPENSIVELY WITH PRIVATE HEALTHCARE ITS STILL BULLSHIT BAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

No this is the hilarious part, with a public option there will be less need for Medicare, so the cost to the taxpayers for that goes down, and you're not paying for private insurance if you don't want.

So you'll pay maybe $15 more in taxes per paycheck, and $238 less. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT OF PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLES HEALTHCARE EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY DO IT MORE EXPENSIVELY WITH PRIVATE HEALTHCARE ITS STILL BULLSHIT BAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

Do you really believe the budget/cost projections that come out of Washington?

[Dimmauk]

No this is the hilarious part, with a public option there will be less need for Medicare, so the cost to the taxpayers for that goes down, and you're not paying for private insurance if you don't want.

So you'll pay maybe $15 more in taxes per paycheck, and $238 less. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT OF PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLES HEALTHCARE EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY DO IT MORE EXPENSIVELY WITH PRIVATE HEALTHCARE ITS STILL BULLSHIT BAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

They talk about the Government taking away my choices, but what choice do I have right now? I can choose shitty expensive insurance, or no insurance. Awesome.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Do you really believe the budget/cost projections that come out of Washington?

Out of the Obama administration, yes.

I know it's incredulous to think that someone would believe a Harvard Law school graduate, who was also the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, over a college failure and dropout with access to a microphone.

Get over yourself swampy, your racist crusade is above ignorant quite embarrassing.

[Olo401]

They talk about the Government taking away my choices, but what choice do I have right now? I can choose shitty expensive insurance, or no insurance. Awesome.

If the Baucus plan goes through, your choices are get a shitty expensive insurance or pay a shitty expensive fine.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Out of the Obama administration, yes.

I know it's incredulous to think that someone would believe a Harvard Law school graduate, who was also the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, over a college failure and dropout with access to a microphone.

Get over yourself swampy, your racist crusade is above ignorant quite embarrassing.

Yea, clearly it's racism when I cite black economists. Typical of liberals nowadays, someone assaults your ideology and instead of defending it you resort to personal destruction. How wrong was the government on social security? How wrong was the government on medicare/caid? How wrong is the government every time it says something will cost X amount?

I'm gonna start destroying everyone's argument by stating that they are doing nothing but repeating the ramblings of ancient, fat, bearded white guy with access to a pen and paper. Screw using facts.

[Darus Grey]

Yea, clearly it's racism when I cite black economists. Typical of liberals nowadays, someone assaults your ideology and instead of defending it you resort to personal destruction. How wrong was the government on social security? How wrong was the government on medicare/caid? How wrong is the government every time it says something will cost X amount?

I'm gonna start destroying everyone's argument by stating that they are doing nothing but repeating the ramblings of ancient, fat, bearded white guy with access to a pen and paper. Screw using facts.

You make it sound like that's somehow different.

[Rhinox]

Olo will appreciate this since he probably already heard it but check this out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BksTHQo8Q78

We need a president with some balls.

"For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent.

For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace‹business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me‹and I welcome their hatred."

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master."

Repost it for emphasis. If I don't hear something close to this as well as his repledge for a Strong Public Option then I'm gonna start looking to 2012 and Someone like Anthony Weiner from NY as our next president.