How the Health Crisis was solved 80 years ago.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Yea, clearly it's racism when I cite black economists. Typical of liberals nowadays, someone assaults your ideology and instead of defending it you resort to personal destruction. How wrong was the government on social security? How wrong was the government on medicare/caid? How wrong is the government every time it says something will cost X amount?

I'm gonna start destroying everyone's argument by stating that they are doing nothing but repeating the ramblings of ancient, fat, bearded white guy with access to a pen and paper.

Yeah I appreciate the fact you took the bait and completely ignored the fact that I pay attention to what a Harvard educated man has to say over a college dropout with a radio station. Get the fuck over yourself.

And just because you listen to a a black guy you agree with does not > racism. NICE ATTEMPT.

Social security has been largely successful until 30 years of republican rule starting in 1983.

Here:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...Picture3-3.png

So, how about you shut the fuck up about social security, seeing as your team always spends it away and fucks it up, and my team is fiscally responsible with it and makes it better?


Sauce: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/def0706.pdf

Screw using facts.

This has been the MO of your team wether it is politics, media, or BG. Why be modest now?

[Olo401]

http://vulgrin.com/wp-content/upload...n-clapping.gif

[Rhinox]

Excerpts from tonights speech have been released no mention of a public option that I've seen

[Beckwin]

this is a fun article:

Dems' Health Plan Half As Costly As Bush Tax Cuts: Report

The Democrats' health care plan costs half as much as the two major tax cuts pushed by the George W. Bush administration, according to a report issued Tuesday.
Enacted in 2001 and 2003, the Bush tax cuts are projected to cost about $2.1 trillion in lost revenue in the 10 years since they were first passed, according to Citizens for Tax Justice, a liberal-leaning research group in Washington, D.C. About $979 billion of that would have come from the richest five percent of taxpayers.
By comparison, the health care plan advocated by House Democrats is projected to cost about $1 trillion through its first decade (2010-2019), according to estimates from the Congressional Budget Office.
The Bush tax cuts tally does not include the additional interest payments on the national debt made necessary by the deficit-financed cuts, the report noted. That figure bumps up the total cost of the tax cuts to about $2.48 trillion.

1 trillion to provide everyone in the country with healthcare, or 2.5 trillion to line the pockets of the wealthy.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm decisions decisions decisions...

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

CBS News on USTREAM: CBS News behind the scenes live news coverage. Breaking News

Watching now

on Twitter social stream as Confucion

and chat room as the_finesse

[Beckwin]

"this was a good idea when John McCain proposed in the campaign, and it's a good idea now.."

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuck

[Day]

what did that dude just yell out?

[Eratosthenes]

what did that dude just yell out?

I don't know, but he got booed hard for it.

[Beckwin]

wait did he just say there will be a gov't sponsored Medicare-esque option?

ugh this stream is choppy

[Day]

I'm watching on sat i'll back it up hold on

[Day]

Yeah he said that i don't need to back it up lol

Edit: He's reinforcing the OPTION part of public option.

[Rhinox]

Think he said "thats a lie" when the obama said his plan wouldn't cover Illegal.

[Rhinox]

there it is Public Option boys. Lets hope he now gives a big fuck you to the GOP somewhere in the rest of his speech.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Obama laying the dickslap down now, embarrassing the GOP. fkya

[Day]

"Based on congressional budget office estimates we believe only 5% of Americans would sign up for the option."

[Beckwin]

ok, from what I can gather, it's a multi-tier plan:

tier 1: new laws/regulations on existing companies

tier 2: allowing groups of unaffiliated individuals and small businesses to associate to have large group rates/bargaining power

tier 3: tax rebates for poorer individuals who wish to use a private company

tier 4: a medicare-esque gov't option for those who choose it


"I will not back down from the principle that if someone cannot find affordable health insurance, we will provide it for you!"

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

wait did he just say there will be a gov't sponsored Medicare-esque option?

ugh this stream is choppy

Ya akin to what congress and the VA has for cheaper

[Beckwin]

oh god lol Obama giving teh GOP a hot dicking right now

[Rhinox]

and there it is the Big fuck you.

[Rhinox]

ahahahahhaha