How the Health Crisis was solved 80 years ago.

[Day]

anti healthcare lol

[Rhinox]

Btw estimates put the tea baggers at 70,000.


70,000 out of a nation of 350+ million.


The Illegals are better organized and have better turnouts then that lol.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Head in the sand when it's convenient for me.

Have fun bro.

Edit: lol @ you trying to pretend that you can't see the posts. Next time, just don't respond. It will be more convincing.

[Solefald]

Alright, you tell me how we funded the Iraq War and Bailouts.

Edit: Not saying all of it came from printing. Just a nice big fat chunk. And our currency is dealing with inflation.

Why do people complain about things that they don't even have a basic understanding of? -_-

Gov't deficits are financed through borrowing, the bailouts were funded by the federal reserve. Inflation is a given in any functioning economy, saying that we're dealing with it is like saying water is wet.

Although, we are using quantitative easing (aka 'printing money') recently in response to the recession, it is limited. Governments only print money in very extraordinary circumstances because of the negative and potentially disastrous consequences.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Why do people complain about things that they don't even have a basic understanding of? -_-

Gov't deficits are financed through borrowing, the bailouts were funded by the federal reserve. Inflation is a given in any functioning economy, saying that we're dealing with it is like saying water is wet.

Although, we are using quantitative easing (aka 'printing money') recently in response to the recession, it is limited. Governments only print money in very extraordinary circumstances because of the negative and
potentially disastrous consequences.

1. Define Funded.

2. We have to pay our debtors. Where's that money come from?

[Rhinox]

Why do people complain about things that they don't even have a basic understanding of? -_-

Gov't deficits are financed through borrowing, the bailouts were funded by the federal reserve. Inflation is a given in any functioning economy, saying that we're dealing with it is like saying water is wet.

Although, we are using quantitative easing (aka 'printing money') recently in response to the recession, it is limited. Governments only print money in very extraordinary circumstances because of the negative and potentially disastrous consequences.

Don't even bother answering it anymore because it will be a circular argument with this retard.

he will go on to tell you to define what you mean here and here and here trying to catch an i that isn't dotted or a t that isn't crossed. It doesn't make any valid points just trying to sound smart by going into semantics.

[Sirrus_Asura]

he will go on to tell you to define what you mean here and here and here trying to catch an i that isn't dotted or a t that isn't crossed. It doesn't make any valid points just trying to sound smart by going into semantics.

Protip: If you're going to argue something, it's kind of important to define your terms.

For Example: If you can't define a "right" then you shouldn't be fucking saying 'Healthcare is a "right"' because you've just stated a bunch of grey area bullshit that can be interpreted any which way.

Define your terms and go on from there.

Learn2logic dumbshit.

[Zilong]

It depends on how you define "is"

[Max™]

If you can't define a "right"

I love how Carlin said it... either we have no rights, or infinite rights.

The Government did not give you rights, you have them because you claim them, and because no one argues your claim.

When someone does argue it, you can defer, or fight.


I doubt you can define a right, if you're arguing that the power held by the Government has any validity beyond assholes like you believing it exists.

[Beckwin]

if the government just printed money when it needed it, it wouldn't be in debt; we'd just be dealing with an extra 10 trillion dollars in the economy (inflation). "printing money" is just a sensationalistic expression used by right-wingers. what the government does is borrow from Federal Reserve banks- private banks that will lend to the government because though (since Reagan) it's had a shitty history of paying it back, there's no more secure entity to lend to.

[guartz]

if the government just printed money when it needed it, it wouldn't be in debt; we'd just be dealing with an extra 10 trillion dollars in the economy (inflation).

I'm sorry, but how much was a gallon of milk in 1970?

[Elvis]

[Acturus]

Secondly, Obama has proposed (and this will probably be in the final bill) a national health insurance exchange, whereby consumers can compare prices and enroll in plans. So that in theory should eliminate many of the differences among coverage by state. Ironically this is actually a conservative idea, it has its roots in the Heritage Foundation which is a conservative think tank. Not surprisingly then, it is a pretty shitty idea. Massachusetts has a health insurance exchange in place and it hasn't done shit to lower prices.

If memory serves, the original "republican" idea of a health exchange was to go hand-in-hand with deregulating the rules on state-specific offering limitations, so that cheaper insurance plans could spread to different states. This exchange won’t do anything significant unless you happen to live in a state like Florida, which has three different insurance markets (Jacksonville/Miami/All Other). Premiums and benefits between competing plans in any given market are already similar, because they are... competing.

Also... wasn't the MA reform touted at the beginning of the year as a good indication of what the national plan would do? I've not yet heard of any positive change in the way that MA's healthcare is handled, covered, or paid for.

[Olo401]

If memory serves, the original "republican" idea of a health exchange was to go hand-in-hand with deregulating the rules on state-specific offering limitations, so that cheaper insurance plans could spread to different states. This exchange won’t do anything significant unless you happen to live in a state like Florida, which has three different insurance markets (Jacksonville/Miami/All Other). Premiums and benefits between competing plans in any given market are already similar, because they are... competing.

Also... wasn't the MA reform touted at the beginning of the year as a good indication of what the national plan would do? I've not yet heard of any positive change in the way that MA's healthcare is handled, covered, or paid for.

That's the main reason why the MA plan isn't working as well as intended - they're not the feds and they can't bypass the federal laws that prevent less expensive out-of-state carriers from coming in (unless they set up an in-state only division similar to how Blue Cross works). The positive is that the uninsured rate in the state is down to about 2% and even that is covered by mandate; the negative is that costs aren't going to go down as long as the nationwide competition isn't there.

[Beckwin]

I'm sorry, but how much was a gallon of milk in 1970?

inflation happens in any healthy, growing economy. do you have a point?

[Sirrus_Asura]

I love how Carlin said it... either we have no rights, or infinite rights.

The Government did not give you rights, you have them because you claim them, and because no one argues your claim.

When someone does argue it, you can defer, or fight.


I doubt you can define a right, if you're arguing that the power held by the Government has any validity beyond assholes like you believing it exists.

It's pretty fucking simple, and Good Ol' Carlin dosen't change it.

If you're arguing about *something* and why *something* is this or isn't that, you damn well better define *something*, otherwise there's no real solid ground for argument or debate.

[Sirrus_Asura]

inflation happens in any healthy, growing economy. do you have a point?

Do you think our inflation is equal to that of a healthy growing economy?

[guartz]

inflation happens in any healthy, growing economy. do you have a point?

Zimbabwe would like a word with you.

[Solefald]

Zimbabwe would like a word with you.

Great example of hyperinflation, because Zimbabwe actually printed tons of money to pay down its debts! Thanks for proving our point for us.

[Talint]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8

/facepalm

That's the main reason why the MA plan isn't working as well as intended - they're not the feds and they can't bypass the federal laws that prevent less expensive out-of-state carriers from coming in (unless they set up an in-state only division similar to how Blue Cross works). The positive is that the uninsured rate in the state is down to about 2% and even that is covered by mandate; the negative is that costs aren't going to go down as long as the nationwide competition isn't there.

As someone who's covered by Commonwealth Care -- the plan offered by the insurance companies around here for MA residents who make an income but cannot truly afford it -- I can honestly say the MA plan isn't very good. It's all subsidies for health care companies, and there's no incentive to lower rates. The moment I'm ineligible for Commonwealth Care, then I'm switched to a plan where I have to pay the premiums.

The plus is that it is a plan designed to covered the poor, and mine only costs $1. The execution of it is what kills me, though. If you're still uninsured, you have to pay a fine on your income taxes. This helps the poor and uninsured... how, exactly?