How the Health Crisis was solved 80 years ago.

[Olo401]

baucus plan is bad, and lol at GOP "plan"

After taking a more thorough look at the Baucus summary, It looks very similar to the whole NCLB bill when it came around - plenty of seriously decent and necessary ideas, but a gigantic mandate to trap a bunch of people AND small business in a downward spiral and a severe lack of funding to get the thing running correctly.

[Dimmauk]

After taking a more thorough look at the Baucus summary, It looks very similar to the whole NCLB bill when it came around - plenty of seriously decent and necessary ideas, but a gigantic mandate to trap a bunch of people AND small business in a downward spiral and a severe lack of funding to get the thing running correctly.

Its almost like the Baucas bill is trying to help Insurance companies, and not help the people. How much did the Insurance companies pay this guy?

[Acturus]

Its almost like the Baucas bill is trying to help Insurance companies, and not help the people. How much did the Insurance companies pay this guy?

Please elaborate.

[Dimmauk]

Please elaborate.

Premium rules are a giveaway to the insurance companies.

Individual mandate, but no employer mandate

No public option.

[Acturus]

Premium rules are a giveaway to the insurance companies.

Individual mandate, but no employer mandate

No public option.

I believe the ability for private insurance to sell plans across state lines as well as develop and sell national plans will accomplish what the public option is being looked at to do: increase competition and in turn make plans more affordable. Saying that, I am assuming the public option was supposed to be as Obama described it on his 9/9 address: not-for-profit, but not subsidized by the government.

What I'm surprised isn't here, given the marriage between federal and state governing mandates, is the push for individual states to create their own plans, especially with how many notes the Mass. system receives in the Charman's Mark summary. With all the work being done to accomodate state-specific care, I would have liked to see an initiative for more state-specific offerings *edit* in this bill.

I agree that the no employer mandate is an unusual twist. Baucus opts instead to tax cadillac coverage based on premiums, and force a payment from business if a percentage of the employees require subsidies to afford individual coverage. I'll admit that I haven't dug down into the language itself to see how that mechanism works though. so it's only through the summaries I've read that I've caught these pieces.

Regardless, Baucus' plan "seems" to create a lot of revenue through taxation of private insurance, and the tax on high premiums kinda sorta sets up a checks system towards passing increased cost to the consumer. Again, without knowing specific mechanics, I can only make assumptions based on the summaries I've read.

[Talint]

I agree that the no employer mandate is an unusual twist. Baucus opts instead to tax cadillac coverage based on premiums, and force a payment from business if a percentage of the employees require subsidies to afford individual coverage. I'll admit that I haven't dug down into the language itself to see how that mechanism works though. so it's only through the summaries I've read that I've caught these pieces.

I don't think it's that an unusual of a twist. When you're looking at an unemployment rate of 9.2% and seems to only be rising, having an employer mandate doesn't help the insurance companies as much as an individual mandate.

Not to mention those on COBRA are already paying if they can. No, an individual mandate over an employer one really forces the uninsured to work with these companies.

Of course, that's just my cynical take on things.

[Rhinox]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_374281.html

Senate Republicans objected on Monday to a proposal from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that all health care reform amendments must first be posted online before being considered in order.
Reid (D-Nev.), crediting Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) for the idea, asked "unanimous consent that no amendment be in order to the Reid substitute amendment number 2786, and the subsequent substitute amendment H.R. 3590, unless the text or internet link to the text of the amendment is posted on the home page of the official Senate website of the member of the Senate who is sponsoring the amendment prior to the amendment being called for consideration by the Senate and that the amendment is filed at the desk. Further, this unanimous consent agreement shall be in effect for the duration of consideration of H.R. 3590."
A member of the erstwhile "Gang of Six" -- the three Republicans and three Democrats from the finance committee who spent months failing to come to agreement on a compromise bill -- Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wy.) objected to Reid's request.
A message left with Enzi wasn't immediately returned. But on the floor, Enzi said he didn't trust the other party enough to go along. "In light of some of the trust problems and transparency problems we have, while this appears to lead to greater transparency, we can also see ways that this can limit the ability for the minority to offer amendments. And, therefore, I object," he said.

Oh Republicans. You demand Transparency yet you spit in the face of it.



btw Kuya It was general consensus that the other thread was to be a place to debate(or attempt to) all things politics. If you want real news about health care go read the news not a topic with back and forth.

[Kuya]

debate

lol

[Rhinox]

lol

lol

[kuronosan]

So my insurance company has raised my premium from $65 to $90 over the course of two years, and this is for cheap, mandatory insurance that covers relatively little.

This must be Obama's fault.