Fragment NM's & Stunning Warp

[Astarael]

We just attempted the scythe, and we've done tons in the past with no issues. We use ninja's mijin to stun the warp, and it's never failed in like 20-30 different weapon warps. This time, the mijin went off perfectly, but the scythe just continued to warp, and was gone.

We had it down to 40% in about 10 seconds, so it wasn't going slowly or anything.

Have any of the recent alterations to mijin affected this? or is there a more reliable method we can try?

[D44kpunk]

never used mijinns for warp, imo its random

[zard1977]

Might want to change the title to "Fragment NM".

[Siddharta]

It's so 320084

[Yabby]

I didn't know mijin stunned warp lol. If hes warping after 10 secs it means you doing only one type of damage. To keep them from warping you have to try and keep different damage types on the Frag NM. We normally start off the 1st 80% pure DD, after that we send in our rngs and K.club drk. By the time it gets to 50% the Blms's AMII are going off. And yes, Attestion =/= Fragment

[Demosthenes11]

wtf? nin job change -> drk and kill the fucker

[Neosutra]

What was that LS that had their kraken Drks and brds come Nin to mijin it?

Kill it fast, thats the trick to these lol.

[Fiendishone]

shield bash/weapon bash. shit isn't rocket science yo.

[Tekki]

Shoot to kill... If your using delay/stun tactics, your doing it wrong. Its like trying out a DL fight. Just straight fuck their shit up. Focus on how you are doing dmg and how you can do more dmg, not how can u use the dmg u have.

[Dammerung]

Kill it dead. Anything else is voodoo.

[Tricen]

Random question, has anyone tried fighting DL and treat it as a reg mob and not zerg it? Is he just too overwhelming? I've never seen what happens if you take him slow lol, I know oblivion smash rapes face kinda hard.

[orson]

Kill it dead. Anything else is voodoo.

^ Honestly I think this is the truth. Every large spike of damage, JA, and spell probably has a way to keep it's interest but it's probably ridiculously random.

[Ferien]

Random question, has anyone tried fighting DL and treat it as a reg mob and not zerg it? Is he just too overwhelming? I've never seen what happens if you take him slow lol, I know oblivion smash rapes face kinda hard.

Tried it way back in the day. His TP moves are just way too powerful.

[Tricen]

Are they naturally stunable or too fast?

[Shinsei]

They are immune to the spell Stun iirc, that or highly resistant to it. Weapon Bash and Shield Bash works though, but like what the others said, focus on doing the fastest amount of damage in the shortest amount of time possible.

Aka. Get some DRKs lol, kraken hopefully, kris is fine


Edit: I thought you were talking about Fragment NMs, I realize that you were discussing DL at the time. Ignore my post

[Kaylia]

Random question, has anyone tried fighting DL and treat it as a reg mob and not zerg it? Is he just too overwhelming? I've never seen what happens if you take him slow lol, I know oblivion smash rapes face kinda hard.

I was wondering this the other day. It doesnt seem to have a strong tp regen (if it has one), and a 2 rdm/drk could probably just stun the tp move whenever they pop up.

[Hellfury]

I was wondering this the other day. It doesnt seem to have a strong tp regen (if it has one), and a 2 rdm/drk could probably just stun the tp move whenever they pop up.

I have to put a disclaimer on my memory possibly failing me hardcore, but years ago when I was still doing dynamis we heard of a couple of non-zerg tactics (we just zerged ourselves)

One approach was to this was supposedly kiting him around, taking advantage of mainly ranged damage.
(our thoughts about this approach was the obvious disadvantage of when someone pulls hate at a bad time and are inattentive, you snoose you lose)

Another was, as is suggested, having rangers and BLMs stand on a lower tier and have mainly tanks and close range DDs fight upper, with stunners.
The problem here is that:
1, his TP moves aren't superslow, and he likes to cheat (paralyzega => oblivion smash for example)
2, Oblivion Smash is just that
3, if you're doing it this way, you might as well just zerg it anyway
4, doesn't take much before rangers (or BLMs) pull hate and he starts running around, and it's all over.

[Chen]

for your fragment attempt thats warping after 10secs~

is that 10secs after it's pulled? or 10secs after your alliance begins whacking? you often lose alot of time in the pull which can be fixed by having your alliance target it first, then soon as it's claimed running to it.

also, shield bash <3

[Gergall]

Different weapons have different activities that keeps them "interested" and makes them delay their casting of warp.

These activities include but are limited to using job abilities, not using job abiltiies using/not using weaponskills, using/not using nukes, enfeebles, etc, using/not using melee etc.

Most of these "interests" have never been tested because players have been able to zerg down the weapons without caring.

Since you mentioned Mijin, I do know this much: The animated dagger's interest level goes up a notch every time someone uses Mijin on it. This can be used to extend the timer before the dagger tries to warp out.

In theory there may be one or even multiple animated weapons that will continuously stay interested if you simply melee it down with no WS, no JA, no nukes.

EDIT: I am trying to find the interview where they talked about this. All I can find is Elmer's post where he mentions the "Dynamis flopper" interview, but I can't find the interview itself.
This is where Elmer mentioned it: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/72707...interview.html

[Astarael]

yeah, fragment, my bad on the title. as well as the typo. oh well.

either way, it wasn't really a lack of damage. We had 6 well geared zerg equipped drks going at it, plus a bunch of sams. As someone mentioned, we only had this for damage. The nins we brought were some of our dualboxed mules just to hit mijin on the warps.

Reading up, the pull may have been the problem, took us 15 seconds to get it to us, next time i'll make sure we're closer. I checked my log and it was 8 seconds from DRK 2 hours going off when it warped, so I don't really think the problem was our killspeed.

After we failed scythe, we went for horn without 2hours, and killed it no problem. Stuns were actually stunning it, but from experience they usually do that, where the scythe resists totally.