Why did the US government torture and imprison a 12 year old for 6 years?

[Leif]

This is so illegal and corrupt that it is mind boggling.

Everyone keeps throwing around these words when holding him overseas isn't a violation of US law. It was within his discretion as commander in chief.

Impeach Bush! Keeping those bomb-throwers off the Baghdad streets at all costs! Arrest him!!

Come on, there is a reasonable chance that this kid actually did throw bombs at troops. Whether he is "innocent" or not is pretty irrelevant. He'll probably get released if the evidence falls through. His time away from the battlefield quite possibly saved lives. We don't put potential terrorists through trials and Miranda rights and reasonable doubt and all that crap for a reason. We want them off the battlefield and we want the information they have.

[Correction]

ITT Leif defends torturing children because they're arabs

ATTENTION! CALLING ALL SWARTHY MALES! PLEASE TESTIFY AGAINST YOUR FELLOW TERRORIST!

While simultaneously basing every claim of guilt upon witnesses he now doesn't trust to testify accurately. It's amazing how he turns every fact against his case into an argument for his case. And any evidence is simply wrapped in "quotes" to seem less "serious."

"Torture of children" yuk yuk yuk, you crazy libs...

[Skjie]

He doesn't get a lawyer. He was taken from the battlefield. What defines "torture" isn't even clear. Whether or not it is illegal when carried out overseas or by people not working for the USA is unclear. You can play by the Obama manuscript and say that it is, but then you end up hating Obama too like Kuya who seems to hate just about everything about America.

Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cool story bro. Also, I do hate America*, so this works out well for you.

*Post-9/11.

[kuronosan]

And yet, his torture probably incited enough anger to cost us more lives.

What a one-sided argument.

[Leif]

Wait, you want to imprison Bush over an international treaty (that nobody has proved he violated...I wonder whatever happened to Mr. Attorney General and his war crime charges) and not even US law?

And yet, his torture probably incited enough anger to cost us more lives.

You mean by making terrorists angrier at America they will be able to blow themselves up....TWICE?!

[Correction]

"If the president does it, it's not illegal!"

I think I heard this argument before.

[thomassmith]

Hell I would have just killed him without a trial. He doesn't deserve to sit in a jail cell torture or not.

[Leif]

I think I heard this argument before.

More like:

"If the president does something that doesn't violate US law we aren't going to put him on trial in a US court"

Unlike perjury, this doesn't qualify.

[Kuya]

Wait, you want to imprison Bush over an international treaty (that nobody has proved he violated...I wonder whatever happened to Mr. Attorney General and his war crime charges) and not even US law?

According to article four of the US Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land..."

[pohibaba]

Wait, you want to imprison Bush over an international treaty.

No, we just want to stop torturing children. How hard is that to understand?

[kuronosan]

Wait, you want to imprison Bush over an international treaty (that nobody has proved he violated...I wonder whatever happened to Mr. Attorney General and his war crime charges) and not even US law?


You mean by making terrorists angrier at America they will be able to blow themselves up....TWICE?!

Ah, I see. Wrapping an American flag around Britney Spears makes you magically a better American than the rest of us.

No, by making them angrier by doing stupid shit like this (locking up and torturing a child) it perpetuates a cycle of hatred.

Do you really think terrorists go "Oh. Man, poor child got what was coming to him"? No. If they used the child as a terrorist, mission accomplished. The rest of the world that sees the child as a child, however, sees it as merciless treatment of a fucking child.

You don't torture children. I don't give a fuck what they threw or didn't throw a grenade at. You don't torture a fucking child.

[Leif]

According to article four of the US Constitution:

Ta da~ Case closed!

Prove that he even violated international law. This kid was not tortured by the US. He was tortured by Afghans.

You don't torture children. I don't give a fuck what they threw or didn't throw a grenade at. You don't torture a fucking child.

Who's a child? When do you stop being a child? What actions qualify someone to be treated like an enemy combatant? Throwing grenades count? Guess not.

No, by making them angrier by doing stupid shit like this (locking up and torturing a child) it perpetuates a cycle of hatred.

Your war policy of "make friends with the enemy" even sounds silly.

Wrapping an American flag around Britney Spears makes you magically a better American than the rest of us.

No. Britney is amazing. America is amazing. Together they are absolute awesomeness.

[Neosutra]

Ta da~ Case closed!

Prove that he even violated international law. This kid was not tortured by the US. He was tortured by Afghans.

5 links in this thread alone showed that we also tortured him.

You are trolling.

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Ta da~ Case closed!

Prove that he even violated international law. This kid was not tortured by the US. He was tortured by Afghans.


Who's a child? When do you stop being a child? What actions qualify someone to be treated like an enemy combatant? Throwing grenades count? Guess not.

So...no evidence against the Afghan kid, it's okay to keep him locked up for 6 years on a confession signed under torture.

But whoa slow down there cowboy if you wanna imprison my former president you gotta have a CASE there, son!

[Leif]

So...no evidence against the Afghan kid, it's okay to keep him locked up for 6 years on a confession signed under torture.

But whoa slow down there cowboy if you wanna imprison my former president you gotta have a CASE there, son!

That's right. Bush wasn't on the battlefield allegedly throwing grenades.

5 links in this thread alone showed that we also tortured him.

You are trolling.

Really? We did?

"Jawad was questioned about the interrogation and confession, and confirmed that he had been tortured by Afghans, not American forces."

So essentially, this thread took a case where the kid admitted to throwing a grenade, then said Americans didn't torture him. And we're supposed to use this case as prime discussion about how we should put Bush in jail for "torturing" this kid.


You guys gotta drop the torture rhetoric. Half the terrorists you say were tortured say otherwise. Nobody has been able to prove that the techniques the US sanctioned were "torture".

[Stee]

How the hell are you suppose to get all this evidence against a terrorist? If you think civilians are willing to go on record, besides a quick finger point, and risk getting jihaded against your nuts.

"Torturing" the kid was wrong, that can't be defended but he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be released back to his hometown and upgrade his gernade to a rpg.

This shit shouldn't even surprise anyone, if you think your government values the pain a terrorist kid feels over some information that might help their soldiers then your in for a brutal surprise.

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That's right. Bush wasn't on the battlefield allegedly throwing grenades..

Neither was the kid.

[Kuya]

By the way, the suppossed witnesses that say the kid threw the grenade weren't his countrymen. The kid was from Pakistan.

edit: nevermind, he was an afghani refugee born in Pakistan... though i don't know if that means he's ethnically afghani and legally pakistani, but the kid only speaks pashto.

[Guitarman]

Neither was the kid.

Again, for the third time, two bystanders identified him at the time of the incident. Selective reading is fun!

[Guitarman]

By the way, the suppossed witnesses that say the kid threw the grenade weren't his countrymen. The kid was from Pakistan.

Then i retract that point. I was wrong.